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You still haven't addressed the issue of new people wanting social housing. Youngsters moving out of family homes, couples splitting and one needing accomodation, etc etc.Originally Posted by TISS
By your logic we never need more housing as demand always stays the same. Bollocks.
Domestic violence leading to women with children fleeing to a women's aid hostel then needing housing .....let's call the council ......this woman is vulnerable and in priority need because she has children .....
Council ? Oh sorry we have been forced to sell them
Demand is bound to stay the same if the population has only increased by multi millions. Oh!
Have you addressed the older generation dying?
The shame is: that with all the money the free market generates, there is more than enough to pay for health, education and the needy.
However, keep them fat and stupid seems to be working well for the 1%.
Yes.
An older person passing away would leave a council house for someone on the waiting list to be homed in. A person passing away who has bought their property will pass their house on to family etc. If that house hasn't been replaced by the local authority, then there is one less property to go to someone adding themselves to a waiting list.
Come the revolution but not in my lifetime
It will all be too late by then
Thank you Sludge. Did the DLA forms myself last time and they look similar,but it took ages and I am not sure I have the energy at the moment.
There's a bloke lives by me in a council house , he's ninety , real good bloke , he could have bought his house years ago , he has plenty of family he could pass it onto
But he's a true socialist and that property will be available for the next family in need of social housing when he passes away
That's what council houses were built for in the post war period , not to be sold off on the free market leading to increased social division , leaving what remains to be a dumping ground for the vulnerable
No problem mate , you are welcome , get in touch with them , they will go through things with you , take the stress off you and your Mrs
The trouble with your argument is that Corbyn isnt a true Socialist, he is a Trotskyist/Communist, supported by people like that paragon of virtue 'The Socialist Worker' and hooligans like 'Momentum'. God knows where we will end up if we start agreeing with them.
“When we celebrate, and it is a cause for celebration, the achievements of Venezuela, in jobs, in housing, in health, in education, but above all its role in the whole world as a completely different place, then we do that because we recognise what they have achieved.”
Care to point out when any Tory has praised Somalia in such gushing terms? No? Absurdum indeed.
come on mike. this shouldn't be here!!!!
EDIT: Deleted a very belated duplicate post for some wierd reason.
Sadly sludge you're wrong.
the soviet union was founded on the priciple but it didn't work. One of the main reasons it didn't work was greed, the so called socialist aparatchiks were just as greedy as you say the tories are.
Even in bad times they produced enough food to feed the nation but it rotted in railway sidings because no one could afford to pay the bribes needed to get it moved. thew whole society was build on bribery and corruption And don't tell me that is western propagand because I know for a fact it isn't. I live in a society where the practice of paying to make a document acceptable still goes on, a society where ordinary working people are still in poverty, and I mean true poverty not like the so called poor here.
People work all their lives for a pittance with no health provision no old age pension and unless their family buys it collectively no home, literally no home with no chance of the government even pretending to help.
My wife grew up in this society. She told m for example that before 1992 they only had 3 kinds of soap, green whiute and black - and they were all horrible. All they had to eat was potatoes and bread. No butter, it was unheard of.
She only gets things done now because she is married to "An Englishman" (they don't know the difference) which means she has the money to do the things her erstwhile peers cannot do, and people either want to be associated with her for the kudos or they're afraid to try and rip her off in case I complain through the british embassy.
This is socialism truly at work, or rather the tail end of it in a country kicking and screaming to free itself of all the socialism it enjoyed for 80+ years.
If you want that for this country then I for one am out!!!!
Rubbish , you are confusing socialism with communism , seen at its most blunt under Stalin
In 1945 we had a true socialist government that built the NHS , invested in public transport and social housing
That's socialism
Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.
Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .
Can you explain what you mean by this?
It seems to work quite well actually, it is what we currently do.
In the end every ideology falls flat on its face because because it doesn't account for the fact that such a high proportion of humans are self-serving greedy *****.
Massive under funding has been the main issue. It's almost like the NHS is being made to fail so it can be privatised.
I'be forgotten the name of it but the railway that runs the east coast of England was nationalised for one year and made a decent profit the 2 years either side is was privatised and made huge losses.
Yeah, and 8 years of cuts is working isn't it? We still have a deficit, a deficit that spreadsheet Phil can't eradicate, and the Tories have borrowed more than Labour. At least Labour are talking about investments - something this country needs feedy.
Spot on.
Yeah, ideally we'd live in a society ruled by an incorruptible, benevolent elite class. But unfortunately everyone's corrupt or corruptible.
I remember reading that the typical person on average physically meets/interacts with 80,000 people during their lifetime. That would mean a Briton would meet 1 in every 825 fellow UK citizens, a tiny fraction in anyone's book.
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