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I was trying to think of a plausible equivalent for a white player - major leagues tend to be pretty white. So maybe Japan, which is pretty resistant to foreigners.
If a Japanese player made a racist comment to a white opponent and the authorities were lenient to him, would I think the ends justified the means if he got a bit of a kicking the next time he played that team? I'd be happy enough that he got what was coming to him.
My rule of thumb is would I say it to him in the pub. If I wouldn't then it's probably a good thing I never said it. I would most likely regret it next morning anyway and feel like a plum. If I did and would expect him to smack me in the the chops then that's my choice and would stand by it. Imperious logic. Has served me well nearly all the time. I don't reckon Emre would say that to Zakiora in the pub unless he was pissed. Zakiora within his rights to give him a clout.
What if a woman racially abuses him? I assume she would be fair game for a good kicking too?
Rather than all this nonsense can’t we just go back to calling Sludge a top rotter and everyone else like wise? Why do we always bring this shit up on ourselves?
She would "get what was coming to her" because as we know from this thread there's no excuse for racist name calling.
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this thread. It's full of people who inexplicably consider themselves 'right on' whilst trying to justify unnecessary violence. Whole world is like it now.
Here's another way of looking at it. Say your kid is being bullied at school. The teachers aren't doing much to stop it but your kid's friends get some revenge during the breaktime kick-about with some deliberate kicks.
Which parent is not going to be pleased at some level that the kid "got what was coming to him"?
There is a sense of injustice - the player racially abused Zokora in front of the ref. The cameras picked up on the fact, and the Turkish Football Federation banned Emre for 3 games. Under the TFF rules, a player should expect a ban of 4 to 8 games.
Does that justify the retaliation? No, however it does highlight the degree of camaraderie that exists in team sports - I have seen similar retribution dished out at rugby matches.
It's hardly like the players were going around kicking Emre for no reason, there was a football that they were trying (unsuccessfully) to get possession of
There isn't an excuse though, you can lose your temper and give someone a little punch even if it's wrong, you can lose your temper and call someone a fat **** even if it's wrong. But if you lose your temper and call someone a n*gger why would you even be thinking that unless you're a racist?
I agree with you that violence isn't justified and I think they were definitely at the limit with those kicks. But there was a sense of injustice and righty or wrongly they wanted a bit of retribution.
I think anything beyond that would have been a bit much but they weren't trying to seriously injure him.
This is kinda my point, maybe it’s because I went to St.Illtyd’s in the 70’s, but to me, those tackles, whilst robust, don’t constitute physical assault or battery.
Hiding in the car park and beating the shit out of him would’ve been.
Even the kick in the bollocks was deemed a yellow by the ref.
Here's a quick quiz, who said this quote?New I'm halfway through this book @Nugent and whilst I'm enjoying it, I just know I wouldn't be able to spend 5 minutes in the company of Simon Jordan without wanting to take a swing at him.
Yeah, it's the old "what if a member of your family was murdered" trope that gets brought out in every discussion about capital punishment.
Of course the people closest to it want stronger justice, that doesn't mean that dishing out a kicking in exchange for name calling is lawful or even morally right.