Jewish group walks away from Labour

[RonnieBird]

I'll take that as a serious question Eric. Two people here are somewhere between denying that anti semitism exists and saying that it's a consequence of Israeli foreign policy rather than plain race hate.
Now, of course we can critisise Israel like any other country ,( although maybe a more balanced view is called for ), but when people use dehumanising language of the sort which has crept in despite the apparently calm logic they portray, then it's a clue that there's something lurking there.
This is not just my observation, it's an established clue to closet racists saying one thing but meaning another.

[jon1959]

I'll take that as a serious question Eric. Two people here are somewhere between denying that anti semitism exists and saying that it's a consequence of Israeli foreign policy rather than plain race hate.
Now, of course we can critisise Israel like any other country ,( although maybe a more balanced view is called for ), but when people use dehumanising language of the sort which has crept in despite the apparently calm logic they portray, then it's a clue that there's something lurking there.
This is not just my observation, it's an established clue to closet racists saying one thing but meaning another.

I have not denied that anti-semitism exists. I have stressed in most of my posts that it exists - in the Labour Party and in wider society. It is real and growing in many places.

I have not said that anti-semitism is a consequence of Israeli foreign policy. Anti-semitism is racism and I condemn it totally, with no excuses.

However I will not accept that anti-Zionism is anti-semitism. I will not follow your view that critics of that political ideology - many of them Jewish - are anti-semites.

A lot of the world's most prominent Zionists are not Jewish at all - the likes of Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo are Christian Zionists - fundamentalists who believe that the justification for Israeli settler colonialism is to be found in the Old Testament.

You do not engage with the arguments against your view but just revert to slander and, stupidity. Nazis were racists - their genocide of European Jews had nothing to do with political differences. White supremacists seeking Uncle Tom figures to support segregation is the exact opposite of anti-Zionists (Jews and non-Jews) fighting against state apartheid policies in Israel. The dehumanising language is coming from you - repeatedly refusing to accept that Jewish people have opinions and interests that are not the same as those of Israel the state. That is just repeating one of the anti-semitic tropes that the recent events in Labour highlighted.

Do you understand what you are saying in these posts? You seem to be tying yourself in knots, revelling in claiming up is down and left is right. 'It is an established clue....' is the nonsense that comes from someone without a clue and without honesty. I would happily discuss the extent of anti-semitism in the Labour Party, other parties or wider society. I would happily discuss the extent to which some/most Jewish people consider Zionism to be part of their identity and how that sits with support or opposition to Israeli state policy. But none of that is possible with you - you don't care about those questions, or about evidence, or about anything but cheap insults, propaganda and posing as a victim.