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[lisvaneblue]

Do you not think the food standards of a country slipping down to these sort of levels is bad?

What else am I getting outraged about?

For the record washing chickens in chlorinated water was the norm in UK until EU banned it because of the risk that it could hide bad hygiene standards. This is n to to say USA has bad hygiene standards as you are implying.

Many of the bagged salads and other fresh prepared veg purchased in UK has been washed in chlorinated water.

What's the issue. Non other than our farmers believe that USA could produce cheaper chickens.

At the end of the day people will have the choice at no extra cost.

[lardy]

For the record washing chickens in chlorinated water was the norm in UK until EU banned it because of the risk that it could hide bad hygiene standards. This is n to to say USA has bad hygiene standards as you are implying.

Many of the bagged salads and other fresh prepared veg purchased in UK has been washed in chlorinated water.

What's the issue. Non other than our farmers believe that USA could produce cheaper chickens.

At the end of the day people will have the choice at no extra cost.

Why would you wash it in chlorine if not because of bad hygiene standards?

[lisvaneblue]

Why would you wash it in chlorine if not because of bad hygiene standards?

Could be an extra safety precaution?

Why do we wash bagged salads in Chlorine?Poor hygiene? .....and its in our drinking water

[lardy]

Could be an extra safety precaution?

Why do we wash bagged salads in Chlorine?Poor hygiene? .....and its in our drinking water

We wash salad in chlorine to kill off the salmonella (unless you'd rather cook them at 175 degrees for an hour).

I guess we could just wash everything in chlorine if we wanted to. Or maybe it's a bit nicer to just treat the animals a bit better so they're less likely to have high levels of salmonella and e-coli and require the chlorine wash.

I think you are still able to douse them at home with chlorine if you choose, so don't worry about that.

[lisvaneblue]

We wash salad in chlorine to kill off the salmonella (unless you'd rather cook them at 175 degrees for an hour).

I guess we could just wash everything in chlorine if we wanted to. Or maybe it's a bit nicer to just treat the animals a bit better so they're less likely to have high levels of salmonella and e-coli and require the chlorine wash.

I think you are still able to douse them at home with chlorine if you choose, so don't worry about that.

Salad in bags is the risk, bagged, can sweat, ideal for salmonella, so it has to be washed in chlorine ahead of bagging. Organic salad is not allowed to be washed in chlorine ( EU). And loose salad just needs a wash in tap water, so safest of the lot.

I agree your comments about animal welfare, so ideally free range is best.

But overall I wouldn't deny US chicken in UK on health grounds, but on animal welfare grounds.

[Croesy Blue]

Salad in bags is the risk, bagged, can sweat, ideal for salmonella, so it has to be washed in chlorine ahead of bagging. Organic salad is not allowed to be washed in chlorine ( EU). And loose salad just needs a wash in tap water, so safest of the lot.

I agree your comments about animal welfare, so ideally free range is best.

But overall I wouldn't deny US chicken in UK on health grounds, but on animal welfare grounds.

That's exactly why everyone is against it isn't it?

[cyril evans awaydays]

For the record washing chickens in chlorinated water was the norm in UK until EU banned it because of the risk that it could hide bad hygiene standards. This is n to to say USA has bad hygiene standards as you are implying.

Many of the bagged salads and other fresh prepared veg purchased in UK has been washed in chlorinated water.

What's the issue. Non other than our farmers believe that USA could produce cheaper chickens.

At the end of the day people will have the choice at no extra cost.

I admire your faith that the food labelling regulations we currently have, all defined by EU Regulation or Directive, will persist post transition period. Seems to me that the key architects of Brexit were the people most keen on a bonfire of EU red tape such as precisely how to label a chicken.

In any event the Trade deal with the US may come with stipulations that country of origin is not labelled to allow everyone the choice people think they will have.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8295141.html

But even if we agree to import all this stuff, we don’t have to buy it, do we (you may ask)? We can just buy British or “farm assured”, surely?

Yes and no. The US objects to COOL (“Country of Origin Labelling”) as it can refer to “country of birth, fattening, and slaughter of animals; country of milking, packaging, or processing for dairy products; and country of cultivation and processing for wheat”.

So post-Brexit, chances are you’ll be shopping blind, unable to avoid genetically modified American “cheddar”, even if you wanted to.[/I]

[lisvaneblue]

I admire your faith that the food labelling regulations we currently have, all defined by EU Regulation or Directive, will persist post transition period. Seems to me that the key architects of Brexit were the people most keen on a bonfire of EU red tape such as precisely how to label a chicken.

In any event the Trade deal with the US may come with stipulations that country of origin is not labelled to allow everyone the choice people think they will have.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8295141.html

But even if we agree to import all this stuff, we don’t have to buy it, do we (you may ask)? We can just buy British or “farm assured”, surely?

Yes and no. The US objects to COOL (“Country of Origin Labelling”) as it can refer to “country of birth, fattening, and slaughter of animals; country of milking, packaging, or processing for dairy products; and country of cultivation and processing for wheat”.

So post-Brexit, chances are you’ll be shopping blind, unable to avoid genetically modified American “cheddar”, even if you wanted to.[/I]

If US chicken was permitted in UK, would US companies McDonalds and KFC use US chicken in their meals, and who would know?

[cyril evans awaydays]

If US chicken was permitted in UK, would US companies McDonalds and KFC use US chicken in their meals, and who would know?

I think that is the point. I thought you were saying that people would have choice so what is the problem. Sorry if I misunderstood.

As I said in another thread further problems come for Northern Ireland as they will still be subject to the same food standards as the rest of Ireland (ie the EUs) and customs checks on behalf of the EU will take place on goods between two parts of the UK to ensure these standards are met and produce banned in the EU does not get into the single market.

Similarly chicken produce exported to the rest of the EU from the UK will need a certificate of origin or risk being subjected to additional border checks if this is not available. Problem is the UK government has already warned these certificates may not be available and exports could be rejected.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/poultry-...-leaves-the-eu

The UK government will issue certificates, however they may not be available from 1 January 2021. You can either export poultry meat to the EU without a certificate or remove optional indications.

To do this you must remove all optional indications from any:

packaging
labelling
accompanying documentation
If you export without a certificate, your goods may be delayed or rejected at an EU border.


Still we hold all the cards so it will probably be all ok

[xsnaggle]

I think that is the point. I thought you were saying that people would have choice so what is the problem. Sorry if I misunderstood.

As I said in another thread further problems come for Northern Ireland as they will still be subject to the same food standards as the rest of Ireland (ie the EUs) and customs checks on behalf of the EU will take place on goods between two parts of the UK to ensure these standards are met and produce banned in the EU does not get into the single market.

Similarly chicken produce exported to the rest of the EU from the UK will need a certificate of origin or risk being subjected to additional border checks if this is not available. Problem is the UK government has already warned these certificates may not be available and exports could be rejected.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/poultry-...-leaves-the-eu

The UK government will issue certificates, however they may not be available from 1 January 2021. You can either export poultry meat to the EU without a certificate or remove optional indications.

To do this you must remove all optional indications from any:

packaging
labelling
accompanying documentation
If you export without a certificate, your goods may be delayed or rejected at an EU border.


Still we hold all the cards so it will probably be all ok

Fact or opinion?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Fact or opinion?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sing-irish-sea

Depends on whether you believe what Michael Gove says or not I suppose.

[xsnaggle]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sing-irish-sea

Depends on whether you believe what Michael Gove says or not I suppose.

Ah so its not fact is it? Yet! I think that stance may change in the coming months, but maybe not. I'll wait and see.

[Croesy Blue]

I think that is the point. I thought you were saying that people would have choice so what is the problem. Sorry if I misunderstood.

As I said in another thread further problems come for Northern Ireland as they will still be subject to the same food standards as the rest of Ireland (ie the EUs) and customs checks on behalf of the EU will take place on goods between two parts of the UK to ensure these standards are met and produce banned in the EU does not get into the single market.

Similarly chicken produce exported to the rest of the EU from the UK will need a certificate of origin or risk being subjected to additional border checks if this is not available. Problem is the UK government has already warned these certificates may not be available and exports could be rejected.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/poultry-...-leaves-the-eu

The UK government will issue certificates, however they may not be available from 1 January 2021. You can either export poultry meat to the EU without a certificate or remove optional indications.

To do this you must remove all optional indications from any:

packaging
labelling
accompanying documentation
If you export without a certificate, your goods may be delayed or rejected at an EU border.


Still we hold all the cards so it will probably be all ok

Very informative post

[xsnaggle]

I admire your faith that the food labelling regulations we currently have, all defined by EU Regulation or Directive, will persist post transition period. Seems to me that the key architects of Brexit were the people most keen on a bonfire of EU red tape such as precisely how to label a chicken.

In any event the Trade deal with the US may come with stipulations that country of origin is not labelled to allow everyone the choice people think they will have.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8295141.html

But even if we agree to import all this stuff, we don’t have to buy it, do we (you may ask)? We can just buy British or “farm assured”, surely?

Yes and no. The US objects to COOL (“Country of Origin Labelling”) as it can refer to “country of birth, fattening, and slaughter of animals; country of milking, packaging, or processing for dairy products; and country of cultivation and processing for wheat”.

So post-Brexit, chances are you’ll be shopping blind, unable to avoid genetically modified American “cheddar”, even if you wanted to.[/I]

But with regard to meat, as I said if you use a traditional butchers shop he will tell you where it comes from and i think most butchers wouldn't stock that chicken on principle. A lot of chicken people buy prepacked now is chinese but you won't find a butchers shop selling that I don't think, from my experience they sell the bigger british birds..