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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I just read a report on BBC where Nottingham police had arrested a total of 4 people and that 2 landlord had closed voluntarily. The police had not heeded to close any place. They probably arrest more than 4 on a normal weekend night.
The same article had mention of various other places and about 10 pictures of crowds in the streets. But if you look carefully they were all pictures of the same crowd in the same street. Just the journalists at it again trying to make a story from nothing.
The only real question is what affect it has on the infection rate and we won’t know that for about 2 weeks.
A "friend" of mine went to Cheddar Gorge yesterday
It was busy but everyone was respectful of social distancing
Went in the local pub after a decent walk , everyone had to keep their distances , a telephone number and address had to be given over before you were served .
Heard a local say they were surprised how quiet and civilised it was .
I guess the carnage didn't get to Cheddar ...?
For future reference Exeter Services is manic during the summer months especially in the evening as holidaymakers spend the night there so they can get an early start the next day.if you are stopping at exeter service station, they have a " chow " place, serves fairly decent food for a service station
I was in England yesterday until about 10 PM. I passed several pubs and didn’t see a soul.
Not the report or pictures I saw
I will see if I can dig them up
Well cheddar is always going to tow the line isnt it ?
John Apter , head of the police federation said his officers in Southampton had to deal with angry drunks and officers were assaulted . It was his opinion it was clear the british public we are unable to socially distance when the pubs were reopened .
Just had a look at the metro and there are photos of soho , packed with drunk people , as the police move through them .
This will have been mirrored throughout most major towns and cities in england
Thank god it wasnt good weather
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...llers-22303705
Carnage
Super Saturday. The bufoon strikes again.
Well the Nottingham policeman I was paraphrasing is Insp Craig Berry. Perhaps you could give him a ring and see if he tells you he was lying.
One woman passed out and another one being sick! Wow!! That happens in Cardiff every friday and saturday night but more than just 1 girl.
The whole Mirror report is trying to make something out of nothing. None of the photos are directly attributed to any part of the report and being the sceptic I am I'd bet a pound to a penny the majority of them are archive pictures.
They have to try and prove they were right even while they know the were at worst wrong or at best grossly exaggerated what was going to happen. The report is reporting a non-event. As I said, worse things happen in town centre every weekend when the pubs are open normally.
Yes but its not a normal weekend.!!
Exactly, it is a weekend when all the doom and gloom merchants, both on here and in the media were confidently predicting mayhem, that never occurred.
See this Report from the BBC:
It is "crystal clear" that drunk people are unable to socially distance, the chair of the Police Federation said as pubs reopened on Saturday.
Ministers had urged caution ahead of hospitality venues reopening in England after three months of lockdown.
John Apter dealt with "naked men, happy drunks, angry drunks, fights and more angry drunks" on shift in Southampton.
But police thanked the majority of people for acting responsibly as they enjoyed the night out.
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Streets were packed in London's Soho district, with images showing revellers outside pubs into the early hours of Sunday.
The Metropolitan Police said that there were "no significant issues" in the capital.
Devon and Cornwall Police received more than 1,000 reports, most of which were "drink-related".
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Bars on Hilton Street in Manchester's Northern Quarter set out tables for customers
In north Nottinghamshire, four people were arrested and several pubs decided to close after alcohol related anti-social behaviour.
While people were out in droves at thousands of venues, fears emergency services could be as busy as New Year's Eve appear not to have been realised.
But Mr Apter, from the Police Federation, an association for police staff in England and Wales, said: "What was crystal clear is that drunk people can't/won't socially distance.
"It was a busy night but the shift managed to cope. I know other areas have had issues with officers being assaulted."
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Police officers are seen walking through heavy crowds in Soho, central London
Addressing concerns raised by Mr Apter, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said people had largely acted responsibly, saying the "vast majority of people are, I think, doing the right thing".
He told Sky News' Sophy Ridge: "Overall I'm pleased with what happened yesterday, it was really good to see people out and about and very largely social distancing."
Sir Simon Stevens, NHS England chief executive, told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "Pleasingly, we did not see last night the kind of scenes that people feared might be. It was the foolish few, but the sensible majority."
Rob Moore, paramedic at the West Midlands Ambulance Service, told BBC Breakfast it had been a "really average" night shift in his area.
"We were really prepared for a sudden upsurge in calls related to people being out drinking but it hasn't happened thankfully," he said. "Hopefully it's a sign people have heeded the advice and had a sensible night."
so much fir the gleefully predicted carnage.
Pubs really should have been one of the last places to reopen. But you could also argue that the take away pint situation we have here is even worse.
I don't think there will be a huge spike after this weekend though. I'd imagine that most of the people flocking to the pubs haven't been particularly observant of lockdown anyway. The real danger is in a few weeks when it all becomes a bit more 'normalised', and people who were being sensible start mixing in groups in pubs.
For anyone who has been shielding or trying to keep contact to a minimum, I'd say that the next 4/5 weeks are time to double down not ease up. Over the next few weeks that dreaded 'herd immunity' may well start to be built up
Looking at the pictures (which I still believe will be mostly archive) would suggest that the majority whooping it up and forgetting the Social Distancing thing are not in the groups who are deemed to be most at risk, so infection rates may go up but it may not adversely affect death rates so much.
But they could return to places where they might pass it on to those more susceptible. We must wait a week or two to see if that actually happens.
Thanks Professor Witty.
Definitely, I'd hope that people who work with the vulnerable or have vulnerable family are either keeping away from the pub, or away from the vulnerable. Personally I think the reopening should be timetabled. Along the lines of open for 2 weeks, followed by a mandatory 5 day closure from Monday 20th. That would give venues and pub companies a time to analyse what's happened and make any changes needed. More importantly it gives the government a real chance to look at the data as its coming in, if things are looking worrying then the closure would obviously need to be extended
The problem, in my view, is that they have opened up so many things in such a short amount of time that, if there is a spike, we won't have a clue what the real cause is.
Is it grandparents getting sick looking after grandkids whose parents have gone back to work
Is it schoolkids spreading the virus in schools, being asymptomatic, going home and spreading it further?
Is it people arriving from overseas (borders opening again soon)
Is it the easing of the 2m socially distancing rule
Is it people being allowed to holiday, and travel extensively
Is it the virus prevailing in certain conditions
Very drole, you should be on Channel 5.
Is this you reading the media that you said you don't read? Again.
You've been rumbled me old cocker.
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