Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
If my calculations are correct, then so far in 2020 approximately 0.1% of the Welsh public has died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test, and we know full well that many of those people almost certainly didn't die as a result of the effects of the virus itself (although there are others who probably did die in such circumstances but who either weren't tested or whose deaths weren't properly recorded).

I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist or a Covid-19 denier, but I've reached the stage where I'm now absolutely convinced that the ongoing steps being taken to tackle the virus are excessive and disproportionate to the risk it poses for the vast majority of the population.
Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
I agree entirely.
Add to that the point that of those 0.1% who unfortunately have died it is well known that the vast majority were either, already suffering from some underlying illness/complaint, or in a care home or a serving member of a NHS facility or over 80 years of age. (Or a combination of 2 or more of these things). If you remove these from the 0.1% i wonder what the figure would be.
So we know the people whom we really need to protect, and if much greater effort was put into protecting them and helping them then the rest could get on with their lives.
There have been 60,000+ excess deaths in the uk this year compared to any other year and that's with restrictions. The restrictions are to stop hospitals being overwhelmed or people who aren't as at risk to the virus will die.

Does it really matter if the people who died this year were old and had underlying conditions, should they just be written off?

0.1% is still a high percentage of people to be dying too whatever metric you're measuring.

I think just focussing on the deaths completely ignores how the virus spread, how the virus affects people (especially in higher viral doses) and what the consequences of the health system being overwhelmed are.

We all want to go back to normal but in the grand scheme of things we've all made the smallest sacrifice in history for less than a year and things will soon be going back to normal.