BLM - Will you boo ?

[Tuerto]

who the **** does?

My thoughts on the matter:

I don't get the booing, but then this is Millwall, and they're still in the 70s in Bermondsey and Rotherhithe, so its no surprise.

When BLM was a single issue movement, it was easy to support, but now its not so, so its hard to agree to the movement overall when there are so many pushing their own narrative well away from its original goals. Farage made UKIP a single issue party and did extremely well as a result. If Farage had started to add other types of political goals to the party's manifesto, then it would not have been so successful. BLM should remain a single issue movement then we can all get behind it.

Saying that, an individual should have the right to express their support in their own way, and not all bend the knee - we scorn North Korea for such mass actions, and whilst not quite the same, individuals who don't follow the mass behaviour shouldn't automatically be assumed to be against the main message. Bending the knee is tokenism to appear woke - much better to actually live your life, and encourage others to live theirs, in a manner fitting the ideal that BLM originally promoted.

finally, you make some great points about the managers, but maybe some (one) of them, such as Barnes, were just shit?

Concerning John Barnes, he may well have been shit, but as is the way in professional football, it seems some people are given plenty of opportunities to show how shit they are, as perverse as that may sound. I really do think that white football club owners are still appointing managers in their image, or based on what they would like to be.

[Dorcus]

its not just the right, the left have their racists too. The wife's grandad, bless his soul, spent his time in the RAF when Britain had an empire. Staunch Labour man. He was based in Africa and India after the war and he certainly believes himself, as an Englishman, to be better than anyone who isn't white. He wouldn't say it to their face though. So maybe its a generational thing that will become less and less prevalent as most of us are brought up in a mixed culture society where we aren't cocooned with only our own "type".

I've seen countless people like that. I shouldn't.make the mistake of conflating their voting Labour with any left wing sentiment.

Much of the Labour Party support is gained from tactical voters rather than from any wellspring of left wing conviction, and this was particularly true in the mid to late 20th century.

[goats]

that's quite disgusting. I always prided our club and city as being diverse and better than all that nonsense.

Could be some jacks voting to boo on here couldn’t it? Let’s face it, they do have a right wing following showing Ulster and loyal flags at games.. horrible people

[life on mars]

Where have all the BLM riots /Demo's gone in the USA and to some extent UK, loads of statues left standing we need rid off ?

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BBC News - Edward Colston statue: Four charged with criminal damage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-55248263

This today....the photo is interesting, remember this is a purported BLM march, yet the majority are white kids. Yet some say BLM isn't/hasn't been hijacked by those with a different agenda.

[Rjk]

BBC News - Edward Colston statue: Four charged with criminal damage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-55248263

This today....the photo is interesting, remember this is a purported BLM march, yet the majority are white kids. Yet some say BLM isn't/hasn't been hijacked by those with a different agenda.

Are you saying that white people attending a BLM march must have a different agenda?

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Are you saying that white people attending a BLM march must have a different agenda?

Not all of them, but some of them clearly do.

[UNDERHILL1927]

Not all of them, but some of them clearly do.

Like supporting anti racism and getting rid of slave traders statutes. Good on them

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Like supporting anti racism and getting rid of slave traders statutes. Good on them

What does getting rid of statues achieve?

[UNDERHILL1927]

What does getting rid of statues achieve?

If you can't see the benefit of removing statutes that commemorate slave traders then I don't know what to say.

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If you can't see the benefit of removing statutes that commemorate slave traders then I don't know what to say.

Educate me. What does it achieve?

Should we pull down statues of every Roman up to Constantine?

[cyril evans awaydays]

What does getting rid of statues achieve?

Would you have left the statues of Stalin, Lenin, etc to stay up after the Berlin Wall fell?

[life on mars]

If you can't see the benefit of removing statutes that commemorate slave traders then I don't know what to say.

Perhaps leaving them in place and adding what they did in detail and how that reflects on people would be far better educational , eradication of history seems counter productive, unless statue removal is more political than about black lives

[splott parker]

Educate me. What does it achieve?

Should we pull down statues of every Roman up to Constantine?

It’s quite likely that some folk can trace their ancestry back to those slave traders so have a direct connection, the reason why they are living where they are today, the treatment that their forebears suffered is pretty accurate etc compared to Roman Empire times.

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Would you have left the statues of Stalin, Lenin, etc to stay up after the Berlin Wall fell?

Those statues were a direct reminder of the oppression many still alive suffered at the hands of the regimes created by the communists.

Slavery has never been legal in the UK. There was a famous case in the 1770s that stated slavery was incompatible with English law. Say what you want about the anglo-saxons, but they eliminated the romano-British practice of slavery in the 5th and 6th century.

So whereas the likes of Stalin were detested by those who suffered under his regime, what exactly are we looking to achieve by pulling down a statue of a man who most have never even heard of and at the same time has no bearing on anyone alive today?

[life on mars]

Would you have left the statues of Stalin, Lenin, etc to stay up after the Berlin Wall fell?

Yes , and explain via a plaque on the statue what they did which was not right , surely education of events has a purpose and delivers a strong message of how peoples decisions and messages hurt others .

[Croesy Blue]

Perhaps leaving them in place and adding what they did in detail and how that reflects on people would be far better educational , eradication of history seems counter productive, unless statue removal is more political than about black lives

Do people learn their history from seeing a statue in the street? Why not just stick them is a museum and replace them with a statue of someone from history who didn't own slaves?

[UNDERHILL1927]

Would you have left the statues of Stalin, Lenin, etc to stay up after the Berlin Wall fell?

Exactly, would you want statutes of convicted paedophiles to remain? I'd like to wipe off any shred of racism from the planet. Teach kids the history but as a black man or woman, having to walk passed statues of slave traders wouldn't exactly me feel welcome in the UK 😏🙄

[Croesy Blue]

Those statues were a direct reminder of the oppression many still alive suffered at the hands of the regimes created by the communists.

Slavery has never been legal in the UK. There was a famous case in the 1770s that stated slavery was incompatible with English law. Say what you want about the anglo-saxons, but they eliminated the romano-British practice of slavery in the 5th and 6th century.

So whereas the likes of Stalin were detested by those who suffered under his regime, what exactly are we looking to achieve by pulling down a statue of a man who most have never even heard of and at the same time has no bearing on anyone alive today?

What's the point of having a statue up of them then?

[Croesy Blue]

Yes , and explain via a plaque on the statue what they did which was not right , surely education of events has a purpose and delivers a strong message of how peoples decisions and messages hurt others .

A statue is for glorification not for teaching people about history is it?

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It’s quite likely that some folk can trace their ancestry back to those slave traders so have a direct connection, the reason why they are living where they are today, the treatment that their forebears suffered is pretty accurate etc compared to Roman Empire times.

No slaves came into the UK. The slave trade took bills of exchange from Bristol, Southampton and Liverpool to West Africa, which in turn took slaves to the Americas, which in turn sent raw materials back to the UK.

Slavery has never been legal in the UK, not since the time of Vortigern.

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Do people learn their history from seeing a statue in the street? Why not just stick them is a museum and replace them with a statue of someone from history who didn't own slaves?

Colston didn't own slaves.

[Croesy Blue]

No slaves came into the UK. The slave trade took bills of exchange from Bristol, Southampton and Liverpool to West Africa, which in turn took slaves to the Americas, which in turn sent raw materials back to the UK.

Slavery has never been legal in the UK, not since the time of Vortigern.

But the statues are of slave traders who traded black people, does it matter where they did it?

[Croesy Blue]

Colston didn't own slaves.

He traded slaves did he not?

Seems like the weirdest defence ever. He only sold children to the pedos he didn't bum them himself!

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Exactly, would you want statutes of convicted paedophiles to remain? I'd like to wipe off any shred of racism from the planet. Teach kids the history but as a black man or woman, having to walk passed statues of slave traders wouldn't exactly me feel welcome in the UK 😏🙄

We all would, but pulling down statues doesn't erase history.

I bet most people walking past Colston had no idea who he was.