Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

[Heisenberg]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

seems some people didnt bother reading the article. Nissan will no longer be importing batteries from Japan as one fo the terms of the trade deal is that to qualify for zero tariffs the car has to be 55% derived form Uk or EU, so jobs will be created, but dont let facts get in the way of sniping.

Maybe everybody who was "sniping" read this comment in the article and didn't just assume that jobs would be created:

"Nissan would not confirm if this would mean additional jobs at Sunderland, which is the UK's largest car plant."

Seems a strange thing to do considering it would be amazing PR for them after hanging the Sword of Damocles over people's heads for months on end, doesn't it?

If they do create new jobs, then I'll be back posting in this thread to say I'm sorry.

[Heisenberg]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

‘“I Regret Voting Brexit” - Fish Industry in Ruins: https://youtu.be/9aB8C4cbBno

[life on mars]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

There were many experts on here stating Nissan would leave due to Brexit and the country would be in meltdown, which as was wrong as the NHS and immigration adverts posted by Brexiteers, and I guess sadly some businesses like Des's have been badly effected , however I bet a number of British based companies have suffered from the deeper convergence into Europe.

This was posted as a reply to earlier project fear posts of Nissan potential demise,it suited the narrative , not at any point was there any depth to that reasoning .

Now that has not happened the narrative changes again .

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

I think whether Leavers see this particular issue as a validation of Brexit, those who bemoan our departure from the EU the opposite or if you are like LoM, arch remainer as Herbert Huw (see below), who just wants to be on the winning side, then it masks the wider issue.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?416927-Brexit-Should-I-Listen-To-The-Loons

The EU "free trade" treaty is the first in history to make trade between different countries more rather than less difficult. The governments own analysis and general economist consensus anticipate it will result in a 4-5% reduction in the UKs GDP over 15 years. Much of GDP loss comes from the impact on the Service sector (particularly Financial services) which formed no part of the trade deal.
By comparison the ambitious target for a UK-US trade deal anticipates a 0.16% uplift in GDP as a result.

There may be a range of valid reasons why people think Brexit will be beneficial, control of our laws, seas and borders to control the movement of people into our country amongst them. I have yet to see one which concludes it will make us wealthier as a country in the short, medium or long term though.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu

Winning.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

Has there been any actual news of how the UK has benefitted from Brexit yet? I don't mean nonsense like Nissan not leaving the country, but businesses wanting to come to the UK instead of the EU, trade deals with the UK that are better than we would have had through the EU etc.

If Brexiters are celebrating because a level of shitness that was expected hasn't happened, if that is the benchmark of the success of Brexit, it shows what a shitshow Brexit was in the first place.

[MOZZER2]

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Eric i would suggest you repost this in 10 years time

23 days in and you post that

I think things like Covid is far more important at this time than point scoring whether brexit was worth it or not . lets hope for the sake of the UK it is

whatever you voted we got to make it work just a pity we have a blond buffoon in charge right now .hopefully he won't last long

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

whatever you voted we got to make it work just a pity we have a blond buffoon in charge right now .hopefully he won't last long

So, for all the people who are losing their livelihoods directly because of Brexit, not Covid, let's be clear on this, what should they have done to make Brexit work?

[MOZZER2]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

eric anyone who loses there job it's upsetting been there got the t shirt

Brexit has only just happened no one will ever know what the future holds . Maybe it will be a great thing hopefully it will

We won't know until at least 10 years down the line . there will be always be winners and losers . Think positive !

For example I can only think in a manufacturing arena maybe supply chains will all move to the UK rather than abroad will be a massive boost to this country like the battery manufacturing plant that will supply the car industry . The aerospace industry is going electric too and the UK has a massive aerospace industry

[Veg1960]

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu

There are no words.....

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu

There are no words.....

Only just seen this, incredible - straight out of the script of The Thick of It or Yes Minister.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

This

https://twitter.com/1cheshirecheese/status/1352534850142687232?s=21

Just the tip of the iceberg.

\no, that's a lettuce.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

Interesting article on some of the problems caused by Brexit:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/a-brexit-nightmare-the-british-businesses-being-pushed-to-breaking-point

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

Another kick in the teeth for the doom and gloom brigade. Looks like the Yanks won't be flooding the country with their chlorinated chicken, hormone injected beef, GM crops and NHS destructing requirements any time soon.

https://www.ft.com/content/c26c550e-df9f-4973-b476-d701e341f676

Though when they do they will also include requirements on the UK to commit to ever heightening green standards, global migration agreements, and international initiatives like the continuation of our aid spending, according to the Express's pet Brexit analyst.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1387243/US-trade-deal-Brexit-news-joe-biden-latest-uk-us-talks-boris-Johnson

I was particularly taken by his unemotional critique.

"The Prime Minister would do very well to remember that we did not vote to leave the EU so we can implement even more far-left green regulations, open up mass uncontrolled immigration to the world rather than just the EU, and adopt vegan inspired food standards.

“We didn't roll back the frontiers of the leftist EU only to have the same establishment globalist thinking forced upon us at a national level.

“The motivations for Brexit should be our Government's red lines.

“No to the far left green agenda, no to mass immigration, and no to forcing a liberal metropolitan set of views and standards on a public that have roundly and consistently rejected them.”

[Heisenberg]

Re: Well done Nissan No So Good For Brexit Doom and Gloomers

Another kick in the teeth for the doom and gloom brigade. Looks like the Yanks won't be flooding the country with their chlorinated chicken, hormone injected beef, GM crops and NHS destructing requirements any time soon.

https://www.ft.com/content/c26c550e-df9f-4973-b476-d701e341f676

Though when they do they will also include requirements on the UK to commit to ever heightening green standards, global migration agreements, and international initiatives like the continuation of our aid spending, according to the Express's pet Brexit analyst.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1387243/US-trade-deal-Brexit-news-joe-biden-latest-uk-us-talks-boris-Johnson

I was particularly taken by his unemotional critique.

"The Prime Minister would do very well to remember that we did not vote to leave the EU so we can implement even more far-left green regulations, open up mass uncontrolled immigration to the world rather than just the EU, and adopt vegan inspired food standards.

“We didn't roll back the frontiers of the leftist EU only to have the same establishment globalist thinking forced upon us at a national level.

“The motivations for Brexit should be our Government's red lines.

“No to the far left green agenda, no to mass immigration, and no to forcing a liberal metropolitan set of views and standards on a public that have roundly and consistently rejected them.”

..."no to standards in general!"