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Yes, I agree that's it's still about brexit, far too many people still failing to admit that they got it wrong.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Perhaps now we've hit the awful figure of 100000 deaths, people will realise really how bad it is, and the mess he's made.
Dreadful man, totally unsuited to run a corner shop, let alone a country in the grip of a pandemic.
The deaths rates are terrible, at least Boris has had the guts too say sorry to the public. Truth is of course that he is responsible for 88,000. The remaining 12,000 is the responsibility of the other home nations. Wales share 4,500 is as bad per head as England, and Rhondda CT the worse in UK.
Your last sentence applies equally to our First Minister.
Genuine question.
When Johnson ‘said sorry’ yesterday do you think he was trying to show sympathy for the loss of life or apologising for the government’s performance in dealing with the pandemic?
It’s only an observation but I genuinely think the only person he feels sorry for is himself?
Id like our first minister to say sorry publicly too. The Wales figures are every bit as bad as England.
That's a shiithousing response.
We'll try this again.
What do you think (in your own words) Johnson was apologising for?
Yours in anticipation.
I'll answer - for being a ****
he was saying that he took total responsibility for 100,000 deaths. But you know, I know and the country knows that health is devolved and his responsibilites for health are for England only. Glad to say he did not get into dividing the cake, he took it on in total.
Why on earth have we got a health minister in Wales who keeps on telling us that he makes this decision, that decision, the vaccine programme roll out etc?
Suppose, just suppose that Wales had got really low levels of Covid and a low death rate to go with it compared to other parts of UK. Do you really think Drakeford would say thanks to Boris for doing that. You can't have it both ways.
Health is devolved to the home nations and whatever you infer the responsibility for Wales health rests totally with the Senedd.
So a prime minister can take full responsibility for ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DEATHS of his own people, and not resign?
if wales' response to the pandemic had been "perfect" how much lower do you think the death rate per capita would have been than England, given that many of the measures to address the virus were in the UK government's control.
10% 15%
probably not much higher, given that the UK government failed on border control, test and trace, eat out to help out, etc.
we'll the death rate in Wales is currently 8% lower than England.
despite an older, poorer population in Wales, with more underlying health problems.
Thanks for that response.
Next question, as Johnson stated in his apology do you believe the government did everything they could do to minimise the loss of life?
Johnson isn't responsible for every death. Deaths were inevitable.
But he is ultimately responsible for the UK death rate being amongst the very highest in the world.
Saying sorry is easy. Resigning is the honourable thing to do. I don't give him any brownie points for the puppy-like eyes.
health and health policy is a devolved matter. Wales is performing worse than England so I'd be interested to hear your views on the utterly shite Mark Drakeford and Welsh Labour.
Well, health is a devolved matter until the WAG wants to have a firebreak lockdown at a time when the UK, not English, Government is defying Sage advice by not having one and, furthermore,not extending the furlough scheme to allow the WAG to have the early autumn lockdown they wanted, so there is a clear example of Welsh, apparently devolved, health policy being dictated by Uk Government financial policy.
You Johnson apologists want it both ways, you bang on about the Union and how we’re all one country, but, as soon as you want to defend the Conservative and Unionist party, you talk as if there is no need for the independence parties in Scotland and Wales because those countries are already separate entities!
Johnson's a Tory **** and has handled the pandemic in England pretty poorly. That does not excuse Mark Drakeford and his shit show in Wales.
you even say yourself that Drakeford enacted our own firebreak lockdown, so why was Drakeford sat on his arse doing nothing when Johnson wasn't listening to Sage advice. Why didn't Drakeford act? We could have had a lockdown but Drakeford chose not to.
Er, I explained that the WAG wanted to act, but they were prevented from doing so by a UK Government Treasury decision, so Welsh Government decision making on health was compromised - you're just flailing about as you always do when you have one of your funny turns on here.
Why does a Treasury decision stop WG from acting?
I told you in my first post on the subject, but I've finished with this discussion now because, as always with you, we'll just end up going round and round in circles.
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