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I can't be arsed getting into the rights and wrongs of things in this thread, and i'm not backing up sludge or anyone else for that matter. But, the fact is that i have witnessed sludge challenge Racism on the Bob Bank Terrace, that's a fact. As for his stuff about women, whether he's playing the Al Murray, Pub Landlord parody type of thing, i don't know.
I don't understand your position at all. It seems to be:
- defend English football fans when they demonstrate serious anti-social behaviour on basis of all fans do it even though that isn't true
- draw false equivalence between songs about child abuse and songs about England losing the Euros - unless you were referring to other songs which I didn't hear or the game against Sutton which I didn't go to.
Regarding your comment on theme of this thread though:
I think this is poorly worded. What's changed is improved understanding about how damaging sexual abuse is and how much of it happened in football as recently as the 90's rather than what is or isn't acceptable - it was never acceptable.Yes we all know that this chant is unacceptable in this day and age
For anyone not yet getting it, one of those players abused by Bennell etc. could easily be in the stadium when we sing this chant and someone in their position now who needs help might be listening. That is what we're really talking about.
Is everyone supposed to just know its an act then? Everyone who causally reads the board?
It seems a few long serving members in here get a pass for behaviour that others wouldn't get, just because of who they are.
Why is it when say, sludge gets abusive on here it's OK, but JR acts similarly and people flock out of the woodwork to call him out on it?
Sludge called me a **** on a thread not so long back, I'm guessing matt was on one of his clean the board missions, but the thread disappeared. A select few on here get preferable treatment.
What the **** has my wife and kids going got to to do with wether I’ve heard the “Get your tits out for the lads” chant being sang?
By that logic you haven’t got any kids so why are you getting offended?
And we will agree to disagree because to my mind chanting and mocking about the death of a specific real person is far worse than some generalised childish chant in poor taste. It’s al it’s fictional. As fictional as them looking in the dustbin for rats to eat.
I don't know if it's an act or not, i've never spent enough time in sludge's company to work out the intricacies of his character. Maybe we should all try to not be abusive on here, including me on times. Plenty of us have been guilty of it. A recent spat that i had on here taught me a lesson, i embarrassed myself, and i told myself that i have to take responsibility for what i say, even if another person insults me or i profoundly disagree with what they're saying. It can get pretty childish, and like i said, i've been guilty of behaving like a twat on here.
I meant the persona on here, I'm not saying he's like it in real life, but people that come on here read what he says, that's all I was getting at really.
Agree, I've been guilty of falling into silly arguments, hence trying not to "take the bait" and stop commenting when it looks like something trivial might end up in 56 replies back and forth
Ah, got you. I think that sludge needs to be a bit careful with some of the stuff he posts about women, joke or not, mirroring the image of sexists or not. Not everyone will 'Get It'
Yeah, a bit of banter is fine in my opinion, like we would do if we were sat in a pub together, but some of the nastiness is plain wrong in my opinion, and i'm not preaching, because i've got form for it. I shall do my best to steer clear of it
Its the way it translates, I say a lot of stuff not intended to offend, but there's no 'tone' when you type and most people just look at who's posted a comment and make their mind up based on their opinion of that person how they are going to take the comment.. Hope that made sense like it did in my head as I read it to myself
If someone is going to call out sick chants, they should also think about how they conduct themselves at all times online
Just someone with, what I at least consider to be, a beautiful wife and 3 beautiful daughters. Wouldn’t like them to meet someone in real life with the characteristics of your internet persona. Hopefully it’s not the real you
I like you Sludge and I’m sure you’re harmless, you’re just a little over the top at times for me.
I’m more a flip flops than sandals guy though 👍
I'm waiting for the subject of self-confessed bestiality to be discussed on here.
One nil to the........
I just don't think that's true at all, I think most people have a general idea in life about what's ok or not, and the same is at a football match.
You can make life difficult if you want and pretend everything's equally offensive because for everything that exists, in the internet age of unlimited communication you can find someone who'll be offended by it, but the reality is the vast majority of us aren't that different and we have a general agreed line about what's ok and what's a bit c**nty
Large group singing the very song loudly today.......no booing of any sort
Well I have taken action and spoken to the police and the club so if nothing at all gets done by the club then clearly its going to have to be dealt with by the fans
Or we just do feck all
I think doing nothing about this chant is not acceptable
I think the “how shit must you be….we’re winning away” must be one of the worst ‘songs’ we sing. Makes me cringe every time I hear it!
Also, some of our fans (at Blackpool) booing ‘the knee’…..everyone’s entitled to their opinion I know, it just bothers me.