Undoubtedly Joe has not developed over the last few seasons and may well have peaked, but lets be honest Pirlo would struggle to find a pass when the only player in front of you is a heavily marked Keiffer ? Everything Mick does is about defensive formation, Giles drops deep, the wing backs are not attacking wingbacks, neither will go beyond Keiffer.

Even in the Warnock year the lob over the right backs head allowing a speedster to chase meant the defenders had to respect our attack, now they just push up to the halfway line as they are against Keiffer and Bacuna meaning there is nowt on. Its a painful situation