And our own deffencies , if you think the funding in Wales is well managed you may want to examine it in more detail and there a lot of over paid trust management and waste going on , I don't think they are corrupt but one may consider them very inefficient with tax payers money . I have few friends in health and they don't have a good word to say about the over 80k pa plus managers, this post is not about Tories and you and John bitter hate, it's about our own A&E funded services, it's two different arguments.