Fine for going to work?

[MacAdder]

Just read it on the BBC website, link below.

Unbelievable!
It's like something you might have read about eastern Europe during the cold War.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59741680

[Canton Kev]

Why would you not want to work from home? Do you love commuting or something?

That’s a pretty blinkered view on how some people live. Some people don’t have the luxury of a spare room to use as an office. Hell, some people barely have a room big enough for a bed and wardrobe let alone a desk and computer too. Some people can be stuck with loud arsehole neighbours or housemates or could be living next to a construction site, etc.
As others have said loneliness is a big one. At the height of lockdown I’m sure loads of people went days/weeks without interacting with another person. If you live alone going into work and meeting friends/coworkers might be the only thing people have to look forwards to.

[the other bob wilson]

Here’s the BBC story on the subject;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59741680

Back in the late summer/autumn of last year, the UK Government were ordering some civil servants who had been working from home back to work, with the damage being done to sandwich bar type premises that were heavily reliant on such workers being given as the reason for this decision. However, I read recently that there were quite a few speeches at this year’s Conservative Party Conference from right wingers (including Lord Frost) condemning working from home as some sort of shirker’s charter, so I wonder if that is a factor behind Welsh Labour’s stance?

Two wrongs don’t make a right though and, after creating a situation whereby it’s okay for Wrexham fans to congregate in the pub right by the Racecouse to watch a stream of a game they are barred from watching live, this is another own goal by Welsh Labour for the reasons already quoted in this thread - the unuion spokesperson is entirely correct in what they say.

As for working from home, it’s not a right or wrong issue because it works for some people and not others. It worked for me, but that doesn’t mean those who struggle with it should pull themselves together and get on with it - having done it for nearly ten years, I can see why not everyone would benefit from it.- I also had what I think is the best of both world in that I was still expected to come into work one and a half days a week.

On the subject of apparent shirking by home workers, one of the stipulations for me being allowed to do so was that I accept a slight increase in my annual target - this had the knock on effect of creating more correspondence for me to answer, but I thought it was a reasonable request and agreed to it. In the event, I found hitting the larger, working from home target easier than reaching the smaller one I had when I was coming into work five days a week.

[goats]

This is a genuine scandal. Absolutely ****ing disgraceful. If I hadn’t just read it on the BBC website, I would have assumed this story was the invention of some conspiracy-theory nutcase.

A £60 fine for going to work? Incredible. Truly incredible. Welsh Labour are an abomination. I’ve voted Labour most of my adult life, including in the last election. Never again.

They literally think they can do what they want knowing the Welsh will always get their vote, let’s hope a few more wake up

[goats]

You're obviously against the decision of the Welsh Government in trying to stop the initial spread of Omicon.

I’m more concerned about peoples mental health and if they have a room to “work” at home or no doubt kids at home for the next two months….

[goats]

will I be safe coming over the bridge to pick up my mum

As long as it sells Welsh on your passport you might get a pass

[Citizen's Nephew]

I can't understand this either. I've been working from home for the last 8 years and I love it. I can keep away from the nobheads I don't wish to associate with and if I ever need company I go to the pub.

12 years now in blissful isolation where I can think, create, work as long as I want without pointless interruptions and office politics. Fast internet means I can 'meet' anyone I need, anywhere in the world, at a click of the mouse. VR means I can have as much 'space' as I want.

Social life can be online, VR, or down the pub/footie/whatever-pastime-interest-group. I haven't needed to drive a car for over 10 years now. I know, my work allows this and it's not for everyone, but it is the future. There are a lot of sound environmental arguments for home working too.

[Citizen's Nephew]

You're obviously against the decision of the Welsh Government in trying to stop the initial spread of Omicon.

Eric, there's nothing wrong with 'requesting' people work from home, but to fine them for not doing so is draconian, surely?

[lisvaneblue]

I’m more concerned about peoples mental health and if they have a room to “work” at home or no doubt kids at home for the next two months….

I agree. Working from home for a nephew of mine means sitting in his bedsit with the computer on the bed.

[Chilled of Llanishen]

What next nailing our front doors up? Drakeford can do one.

[billy.ronson]

I bet he is regretting the old toll booths being removed on the Severn Bridges , he could have turned them into checkpoints to stop illegal workers ... no not sneaking into the country but sneaking out !!!!

[Chilled of Llanishen]

I bet he is regretting the old toll booths being removed on the Severn Bridges , he could have turned them into checkpoints to stop illegal workers ... no not sneaking into the country but sneaking out !!!!

[goats]

I agree. Working from home for a nephew of mine means sitting in his bedsit with the computer on the bed.

If only we had vaccines, I hear they might have found one…….

[blue matt]

As long as it sells Welsh on your passport you might get a pass

Im ok then, though might have to leave the girls home incase they are detained

[JamesWales]

12 years now in blissful isolation where I can think, create, work as long as I want without pointless interruptions and office politics. Fast internet means I can 'meet' anyone I need, anywhere in the world, at a click of the mouse. VR means I can have as much 'space' as I want.

Social life can be online, VR, or down the pub/footie/whatever-pastime-interest-group. I haven't needed to drive a car for over 10 years now. I know, my work allows this and it's not for everyone, but it is the future. There are a lot of sound environmental arguments for home working too.

God that sounds like an Orwellian nightmare to me.

I don't think it is the future. Hybrid working and flexibility is, but not mass working at home and people spending no time mixing. Works for some, but not most.

All the best to you though.

[Dorcus]

12 years now in blissful isolation where I can think, create, work as long as I want without pointless interruptions and office politics. Fast internet means I can 'meet' anyone I need, anywhere in the world, at a click of the mouse. VR means I can have as much 'space' as I want.

Social life can be online, VR, or down the pub/footie/whatever-pastime-interest-group. I haven't needed to drive a car for over 10 years now. I know, my work allows this and it's not for everyone, but it is the future. There are a lot of sound environmental arguments for home working too.

Absolutely true and it actually makes for better and increased productivity. It just shows the Tories in their true light when they regard WFH as a "shirkers charter" and wanting people to spend their time and money traveling to work just to support sandwich companies! Just how out of touch are these rich ghouls?

However, I do agree with many who have posted who have rightly pointed out that it will not work for everyone and there can definitely be issues that can affect some people's mental health. For that reason, when all this is over I think the choice to work in the office or at home should solely rest with the employee.

[MOZZER2]

well i,m going to follow the science and take my laptop up the local pub and work from there

happy xmas Mr Drakeford

[Citizen's Nephew]

God that sounds like an Orwellian nightmare to me.

I don't think it is the future. Hybrid working and flexibility is, but not mass working at home and people spending no time mixing. Works for some, but not most.

All the best to you though.

This is ironic considering the real Orwellian nightmare involved Winston Smith going to work in a 'cubicle' office environment.

We won't have the resources to travel huge distances let alone the utilities to heat/water/light huge office complexes. Manufacturing is different though. Younger people today aren't going to want to or be able to work in corporate environments. The simple truth is we won't have the resources to afford the luxury of travel to a location to do exactly the same thing as we could do from home. Homes will be different anyway.

[Trigger]

well i,m going to follow the science and take my laptop up the local pub and work from there

happy xmas Mr Drakeford

Had to do similar couple months back as the Internet was down and being half way through the day I didn't want to go into the office.

Did see one or two others doing the same.

I love the flexibility of it, would never want to work at home the whole time though. Generally have 3 days in 2 days home or vice versa split which is perfect.

For a period they did tell us to go in 1 day only, had a new found appreciation for actually going into the office and seeing workmates again following that.

At the same time wouldn't want the 5 days of commuting in pre pandemic traffic to return.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

12 years now in blissful isolation where I can think, create, work as long as I want without pointless interruptions and office politics. Fast internet means I can 'meet' anyone I need, anywhere in the world, at a click of the mouse. VR means I can have as much 'space' as I want.

Social life can be online, VR, or down the pub/footie/whatever-pastime-interest-group. I haven't needed to drive a car for over 10 years now. I know, my work allows this and it's not for everyone, but it is the future. There are a lot of sound environmental arguments for home working too.

Sounds a bit like prison. Actually, a lot like prison. Do you get your food via Deliveroo and gen. shopping via Amazon ?

[Tuerto]

Eric, there's nothing wrong with 'requesting' people work from home, but to fine them for not doing so is draconian, surely?

Absolutely. Fining your average Joe for turning up at work is a disgrace and an act of bullying. What the Welsh government should be doing is to make sure that employers are doing everything they can to make the workplace safe. I understand that there are other factors involved, like using public transport etc, but that burden should not be put on workers.

[MOZZER2]

here we go with new restrictions from boxing day too

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...10#source=push

[Tuerto]

Sounds a bit like prison. Actually, a lot like prison. Do you get your food via Deliveroo and gen. shopping via Amazon ?

You've obviously never been to prison.

[jon1959]

Welsh Government have got this one wrong.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

You've obviously never been to prison.

Nah! Ain't done no Powwidge.