Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

[superflyblues]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Logic would indicate you need to be more precise in your wording.

The implication you made was that in person schooling was generally available; "children of essential workers" and "vulnerable children" were the subset you should have referred to. It's also worth pointing out that plenty of "vulnerable children" were denied in person education, in particular children with special needs. Quite a few didn't receive in person teaching, essential given their needs because they aren't as important as NHS workers.

Logic would indicate you need to be more precise in your reading.

[logic]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

I was implying that your initial statement about teachers not going to school because of the work from home regs was/is wrong.

Logic would indicate that a literal interpretation of what Dripford has laid down would indicate that xsnaggle is correct. Remote learning has been used before, therefore teachers can work from home.

The "common sense" view is that learning should be in person where applicable - special needs provision really demands it tbh. The issue is that Dripford issues broad edicts without considering edge cases. Ban Welsh football fans from home games, allow them to go to away games in England.

[superflyblues]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Logic would indicate that a literal interpretation of what Dripford has laid down would indicate that xsnaggle is correct. Remote learning has been used before, therefore teachers can work from home.

The "common sense" view is that learning should be in person where applicable - special needs provision really demands it tbh. The issue is that Dripford issues broad edicts without considering edge cases. Ban Welsh football fans from home games, allow them to go to away games in England.

Online shopping is a thing, therefore all shops should close type logic. Brilliant.

[logic]

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Online shopping is a thing, therefore all shops should close type logic. Brilliant.

Logic would indicate you've the reading capacity of a dead slug.

Your analogy is utterly false. How can a shop worker work online? Can they stock shelves virtually? Tesco online is a separate entity within the Tesco chain from the stores division, for example.

The point being made which is clearly miles above your head, is that a literal interpretation of Dripford's edicts indicate schools should close. Apart from those children who use public transport, teaching can be conducted remotely as it has been before - with some specific exceptions. As was pointed out, Dripford doesn't consider nuances and edge cases.

[City123]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Logic would indicate you need to be more precise in your wording.

The implication you made was that in person schooling was generally available; "children of essential workers" and "vulnerable children" were the subset you should have referred to. It's also worth pointing out that plenty of "vulnerable children" were denied in person education, in particular children with special needs. Quite a few didn't receive in person teaching, essential given their needs because they aren't as important as NHS workers.

Logic would indicate that you should learn how to read

[superflyblues]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Logic would indicate you're the reading capacity of a dead slug.

Your analogy is utterly false. How can a shop worker work online? Can they stock shelves virtually? Tesco online is a separate entity within the Tesco chain from the stores division, for example.

The point being made which is clearly miles above your head, is that a literal interpretation of Dripford's edicts indicate schools should close. Apart from those children who use public transport, teaching can be conducted remotely as it has been before - with some specific exceptions. As was pointed out, Dripford doesn't consider nuances and edge cases.

Oh dear. Made me chuckle though, so thanks for that.

[xsnaggle]

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Online shopping is a thing, therefore all shops should close type logic. Brilliant.

Which is precisely what he did before when he made Supermarkets barrier off 'non-essential' aisles to prevent people from buying things that might disadvantage shops he forced to close, without even considering on-line shopping, as a result of which both suffered. Of course on-line shopping was OK because he didn't ban delivery drivers, they are essential workers.

So are you suggesting that he should do the same again or accepting and agreeing that his edicts have nothing to do with protecting anything and have no real solid justification?

[xsnaggle]

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Oh dear. Made me chuckle though, so thanks for that.

Is that code for "I have no answer to that?" :xmashehe:

[superflyblues]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Is that code for "I have no answer to that?" :xmashehe:

Exactly that, I've been beaten by my intellectual superiors possibly due to my 'dead slug' reading capacity.

[xsnaggle]

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Exactly that, I've been beaten by my intellectual superiors possibly due to my 'dead slug' reading capacity.

good of you to be so magnanimous in defeat!! :xmashomer:

[superflyblues]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

good of you to be so magnanimous in defeat!! :xmashomer:

No probs. How many teachers do you think will be fined?

[xsnaggle]

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No probs. How many teachers do you think will be fined?

None at all.
But that doesn't make the law right it just makes it an ass and we should all be allowed to ignore it.

But what would happen if some organisation, (like some of the ones always taking the UK government to court) brought an action against the Welsh government for breaking the law and demanded that it is fined £1000.oo for every teacher every day who went to school? And of course all the teachers to be fined retrospectively?
Or perhaps some poor privately employed person who has been fined?

[delmbox]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

Logic would indicate you've the reading capacity of a dead slug.

Your analogy is utterly false. How can a shop worker work online? Can they stock shelves virtually? Tesco online is a separate entity within the Tesco chain from the stores division, for example.

The point being made which is clearly miles above your head, is that a literal interpretation of Dripford's edicts indicate schools should close. Apart from those children who use public transport, teaching can be conducted remotely as it has been before - with some specific exceptions. As was pointed out, Dripford doesn't consider nuances and edge cases.

Whenever I read a post of yours I imagine you back in August 2021 thinking "oh my god I'm gonna call myself logic and then start replies with logic would indicate, it's gonna be absolute class" and then going to the effort of making an account and it makes me so glad I've never done that

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

None at all.
But that doesn't make the law right it just makes it an ass and we should all be allowed to ignore it.

But what would happen if some organisation, (like some of the ones always taking the UK government to court) brought an action against the Welsh government for breaking the law and demanded that it is fined £1000.oo for every teacher every day who went to school? And of course all the teachers to be fined retrospectively?
Or perhaps some poor privately employed person who has been fined?

From 20 December, people must work from home where reasonably practicable for them to do so. Employers must allow or require their employees to work from home unless there is a clear business or well-being need that would make working from home impractical where reasonable, in line with their duties to take reasonable measures.

Source: https://gov.wales/alert-level-2-guidance-public-html

[superflyblues]

Re: Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

From 20 December, people must work from home where reasonably practicable for them to do so. Employers must allow or require their employees to work from home unless there is a clear business or well-being need that would make working from home impractical where reasonable, in line with their duties to take reasonable measures.

Source: https://gov.wales/alert-level-2-guidance-public-html

Oy, stop it with your pertinent referenced facts, dude :-)

Xsnaggle initially stated "And teachers cannot go to school because they'll get fined given the fact the welsh government knows they can work from home." Now he's claiming 'None at all' will get fined...