Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
Oh spare us the sanctimony. You knew exactly why you dug up the Abbot video and it had nothing to do with balance (She's never been Home Secretary by the way or even held any kind of ministerial position). You showed your cards a little later in the thread. At that point you appeared more interested in the supposed petty point scoring you frown upon from others and one can only ponder on what the people of the Ukraine were thinking when you did it.

But claiming the west or NATO are the aggressors here is plainly absurd and just typical or the standard anti-American tropes that are pretty common amongst many in those circles.

I at least agree that Johnson's flat has little to do with this issue, though not irrelevant more generally. It would appear based on your over the top generalisations that a significant cross section of Parliament, from ERG members other Tory MPs, Labour, Lib-Dem, Green and SNP are, completely without evidence, also dancing to Putin's tune in criticising the government response.
No, you spare us the sanctimony.

The Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and some people on here instantly turn that into misinformation about Russian oligarchs and Tory donors and Johnsons flat. Exactly the kind of nonsense that spreads online, often emanating from Russia itself, and precisely the kind of cheap tropes that, ironically enough, Putin himself thrives upon.

If your first response to an invasion is to go on about Boris Johnsons flat, then you don't care two hoots about Ukraine. The same people who supported a man who endlessly defends Russia now demand that sanctions be harsher, with no real understanding of what the sanctions entail or whether they will or wont work. Give me a break.

And Diane Abbott was shadow home secretary. I am well aware that thankfully she never held office, so the most likely scenario here is a typo on my behalf (I neglected to write the word shadow).

It was a relevent point in a previous discussion because parts of the British left have emboldened Putin for many years, particularly when they captured the Labour party. This is a problem on the right too - note Aaron Bank's tweets today.

What this is absolutely feck all to do with is Boris Johnson's flat and people should be called out for spreading utter crap like that IMO, whether it's on twitter or on the micro-climate of CCMB.

I'm happy to call it out. You shout at me for doing so.

This is a very volatile situation. Implying our response is entirely rooted in corruption is as unhelpful as it is baseless.