Reply With QuoteI wonder if many Ukrainians would agree with that…Originally Posted by JamesWales
The idea behind the sanctions is that it turns the Russian people against 💩tin. He must be removed by his own people, not “the West”.
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The USSR really has it in for Mariupol ( and surrounding area's ) even flattening it will not get the troops to leave ( mainly Azov I believe )
I wonder if many Ukrainians would agree with that…
The idea behind the sanctions is that it turns the Russian people against 💩tin. He must be removed by his own people, not “the West”.
This. I don’t get why they just don’t give up these areas for the sake of peace and what are still considerable territories in the rest of Ukraine. I read a tweet yesterday by Zelenskyy’s party saying this option is out of the question. I just don’t get it. They’ll never get these areas back (esp Crimea) in a thousand years. From what I understand, Crimea is staunchly Russian anyway so if you believe in self determination, you’d have to concede this area anyway.
As much as I find the whole war deplorable, sometimes I can’t help feeling this is an age old, localised power struggle between two regions, like in Ireland or Catalunya , which has turned into a West vs East mega conflict.
This ^^ sounds gutless I know , and I agree with sanctions etc but I don’t think Crimea is worth jeopardising world peace over.
If Putin thinks it’s acceptable to bomb maternity hospitals ( not even Isis stoop to those levels) then he’ll be judged in the IWCC and by history.
If I were dealing with such an evil character I’d do the pragmatic thing and concede and give him his “victory” the fckin bellend.
We, (the rest of the world) are basically sitting back and watching a country get flattened, it’s residents murdered in cold blood, and millions getting displaced from their homes (many forever), in order to save our own skins, and mankind as we know it.
Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Why can't these regions hold a referendum on their Sovereignty?
What if he wants more than that. All of Ukraine. Moldova, Romania, Poland. Hell all the former Soviet Union states.
At what point does the world step in?
They said they’d withdraw if the breakaway regions were recognised. If they wanted to occupy the whole country and expand they’d just continue as they are wouldn’t they?
Occupation of the countries you’ve mentioned would be untenable. It’d never last. Why didn’t they invade Georgia in 2008 if this was the plan.
I think they are just untrusting and overbearing and want outposts a la Transnistria, Kaliningrad, Ossetia to keep a tabs on things.
You simply can't trust them.
You know what **** them. Even if they did want outposts in those areas you don't invade and murder civilians.
There should be a democratic process for those areas to go through.
The whole regime deserves the most severe punishments.
Yeah I mean again, of course"if Russia agree not to invade"
I seem to remember them doing that at some point in history?
Oh yes, it was February 2022
The world's become smaller and smaller in many ways, but geographically this war is still 2000 miles away, and I'd be doing anything to stop it getting closer. We've had 2 weeks of rhetoric, time for some calm - and as you say - pragmatic thinking.
He's only in Ukraine because he wasn't properly stopped after Georgia and Crimea. He got what he wanted. There's no way he'd think "well better not push my luck now" if he was allowed to keep parts of Ukraine.
They are untouchable. As is the leader of any large government.
The US are responsible for hundreds if not thousands of dead kids.
"The British government says its troops were responsible for an airstrike that killed two women and two children around Helmand."
....a quick google search.
People might try to justify it when their "heroes" are the ones doing the slaying but no government should be flying over foreign countries and dropping bombs unless there is a zero percent chance of injuring or killing little kids. It's incomprehensible.
Interesting from an ex soldier
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-war-soldier/
the point here is that you can be pretty sure that the US and UK never intended them bombs to kill the "hundreds if not thousands of kids "
can many say the same from this Russian invasion ? ? ?
hasn't Putin said he wants to control the whole of the Ukraine now ( think it was in a phone call to Macron )
People might try to justify it when their "heroes" are the ones doing the slaying but no government should be flying over foreign countries and dropping bombs unless there is a zero percent chance of injuring or killing little kids. It's incomprehensible.
... and again.... and again.... and....
Apologies if I’m missing something here regarding your use of USSR, but it’s Russia and Belarus we’re talking about here, not the old USSR. A part of the USSR is being bombed and many old USSR countries are at the forefront of those providing aid to Ukraine.
Well, 007 will have taken him out by then…..
It's what most of us wake up wanting to hear, that he's been assassinated. It can't come soon enough!Well, 007 will have taken him out by then…..
He wants be killed or stopped Russia is killing for fun by carpet bombing .
Put no fly zone let Ukrainian people have a balanced fight.
WW3 is already here.
Abramovic sanctioned.
Avoided massive legal costs by delaying
At first I wasn't in the mad Vlad camp, however misguided he undoubtedly is, I thought there must be something in it for him longer term.
I just don't see it though, did they really just misjudge the resistance and togetherness of the West and are now far too deep in to do anything but plough on.
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