Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
Just let him have crimea and the eastern areas that are mainly Russian anyway officially. Not sure about Ukraine joining NATO but if Russia agree not to invade the country then they don’t need to…for now or as long as Putin lives maybe?
This. I don’t get why they just don’t give up these areas for the sake of peace and what are still considerable territories in the rest of Ukraine. I read a tweet yesterday by Zelenskyy’s party saying this option is out of the question. I just don’t get it. They’ll never get these areas back (esp Crimea) in a thousand years. From what I understand, Crimea is staunchly Russian anyway so if you believe in self determination, you’d have to concede this area anyway.

As much as I find the whole war deplorable, sometimes I can’t help feeling this is an age old, localised power struggle between two regions, like in Ireland or Catalunya , which has turned into a West vs East mega conflict.

This ^^ sounds gutless I know , and I agree with sanctions etc but I don’t think Crimea is worth jeopardising world peace over.

If Putin thinks it’s acceptable to bomb maternity hospitals ( not even Isis stoop to those levels) then he’ll be judged in the IWCC and by history.

If I were dealing with such an evil character I’d do the pragmatic thing and concede and give him his “victory” the fckin bellend.