Imperial measures making a comeback - for or against?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

No, I'm more in favour of having an extra month and making it 13 months in the year, then they each have 4 weeks.
The additional month should slot in between August and September

If you haven't seen Dave Gorman's presentation on this, you should.

He proposes 13 equal months of 28 days with an intermission to make up the missing day (or two intermissions for a leap year), basically extended new year's piss ups.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Tradition, identity and heritage are important. If you don't agree with that you're probably a globalist shill.

Tradition, identity and heritage can also hold back progress.

One Welsh tradition is singing. Allegedly. Of course it isn't. The Land of Song was a moniker attached to Wales by the English. Historically, Wales has never been more of a singing country than the rest of the UK.

As a result of this "heritage", we have hundreds of male voice choirs around the country, most of them struggling with ageing memberships and still singing the old shit they have for decades upon decades. New choirs, such as Only Men Aloud, are the future of male voice singing in Wales, yet I see so many traditional choirs clinging onto the past because it makes them feel comfortable.

Tradition, identity and heritage hasn't been decided forever. It changes. New things will become a part of our culture while some old things are no longer of relevance. We need to embrace change. We can nod to the past, sure, nothing wrong in respecting that, of course. In 100 years I bet there'll be little mentioned about our mining heritage as, generation by generation, it gets forgotten.

[splott parker]

The imperial system has added loads to the language regardless of its idiosyncrasies. The metric/decimal system, even though it’s been about a while, hasn’t caught the public’s imagination at all really, certainly the money. Bob, tanner, threepenny bit, coppers, half a dollar all were used regularly while in over fifty years there aren’t any lasting nicknames for the new money. I still call 50ps ten bob bits

25mm high Private Eye, the 1.6km high club, well I’ll go to the 300mm of our stairs, I had a drink in The Metre in St Mary St (bit of poetic licence with those two), Gertrude 5p (one for the Ascot oldies), Sharon 6.3kg...............

[Lither_1927]

The US, Myanmar and Liberia are the only 3 non-metric countries. This country's being dragged backwards by the "back in my day!" crowd.

The fact that this "red meat for the masses" idea by Boris to show Brexit had at least one positive is as pathetic as it is laughable. Even the top rated comment on the Daily Mail article is openly laughing at how stupid and pointless it is.

The US is the most advanced economy on earth(for now). They haven't been dragged backwards by not going metric.

[Lither_1927]

The metric system is older than imperial, so you might want to change your allegiances.

If there'd been a ccmb in the 1820s, perhaps people there would have been upset about moving from the Winchester System to the new fangled one.

The metric system may be older but it's not British in origin lardy, nor has it permeated the culture in the same way.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The metric system may be older but it's not British in origin lardy, nor has it permeated the culture in the same way.

Who gives a rat's arse?

[lardy]

The metric system may be older but it's not British in origin lardy, nor has it permeated the culture in the same way.

So why don't you support the Winchester System, which is older and permeated British culture more as it was part of every day life for far longer than the imperial system?

[Lither_1927]

Tradition, identity and heritage can also hold back progress.

One Welsh tradition is singing. Allegedly. Of course it isn't. The Land of Song was a moniker attached to Wales by the English. Historically, Wales has never been more of a singing country than the rest of the UK.

As a result of this "heritage", we have hundreds of male voice choirs around the country, most of them struggling with ageing memberships and still singing the old shit they have for decades upon decades. New choirs, such as Only Men Aloud, are the future of male voice singing in Wales, yet I see so many traditional choirs clinging onto the past because it makes them feel comfortable.

Tradition, identity and heritage hasn't been decided forever. It changes. New things will become a part of our culture while some old things are no longer of relevance. We need to embrace change. We can nod to the past, sure, nothing wrong in respecting that, of course. In 100 years I bet there'll be little mentioned about our mining heritage as, generation by generation, it gets forgotten.

I disagree with your views on old choirs being shit.
How would you like Welsh Choir culture be controlled and dictated to by a globalist organisation?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I disagree with your views on old choirs being shit.
How would you like Welsh Choir culture be controlled and dictated to by a globalist organisation?

Disagree all you want. I've written lots about it, both academically and elsewhere.

Welsh choirs aren't controlled and dictated to by any globalist organisations. Utterly ridiculous comment.

[ToTaL ITK]

cheese and onion were my favourite crisps

[jon1959]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...PjbXTfGZviVaMQ

13 out of 18.

Got all my guesses wrong!

[blue matt]

Being from a building trade background I used to always work in imperial, 8 X 4 ft sheets, 4 X 2" timber, 1 3/4" screws

its funny

we drink pints, I weigh 17 stone, Im 6ft 3" yet when I was in school we were told Imperial was dead and metric was the way forward and we would ditch Imperial, it never did go away

[splott parker]

Being from a building trade background I used to always work in imperial, 8 X 4 ft sheets, 4 X 2" timber, 1 3/4" screws

its funny

we drink pints, I weigh 17 stone, Im 6ft 3" yet when I was in school we were told Imperial was dead and metric was the way forward and we would ditch Imperial, it never did go away

The number of times ‘non construction people’ make the centimetre & millimetre mistake. They say 10 or 35 when it should be 100 or 350, can be a costly mistake for some. Was chatting about this down Express Steels recently, a customer phoned in for a beam four metres and fifty long. Of course it was cut at 4050, customer picks it up and complains that it’s too short. Customer should have asked for four metres, five hundred. The old hands down there said there was never a problem when, say, 14’6 was phoned in. Centimetres should be taken out of the system completely, they confuse matters, plus dealing in millimetres is so much more accurate.

[blue matt]

The number of times ‘non construction people’ make the centimetre & millimetre mistake. They say 10 or 35 when it should be 100 or 350, can be a costly mistake for some. Was chatting about this down Express Steels recently, a customer phoned in for a beam four metres and fifty long. Of course it was cut at 4050, customer picks it up and complains that it’s too short. Customer should have asked for four metres, five hundred. The old hands down there said there was never a problem when, say, 14’6 was phoned in. Centimetres should be taken out of the system completely, they confuse matters, plus dealing in millimetres is so much more accurate.

Happened to me , I had a job to fit a UPVC Front window on a new build extension, they measured it ( which I never used to do and always try to avoid, but he was adamant he could measure the opening size ), I ordered it and would fit it, 3080 they said, they meant 3800

[the other bob wilson]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...PjbXTfGZviVaMQ

13 out of 18.

Got all my guesses wrong!

Just 11 for me although it should have been twelve but, half asleep, I pressed the wrong button. Like you, got all of my guesses wrong, but, thinking about it now, I should have known roughly how long a cubit was.

[bobh]

But you do think we should bring back the barleycorn?

Though the name isn't used, we still use the barleycorn.
It's what UK shoe sizes are measured in

[jon1959]

Just 11 for me although it should have been twelve but, half asleep, I pressed the wrong button. Like you, got all of my guesses wrong, but, thinking about it now, I should have known roughly how long a cubit was.

For some reason cubit has always stuck in my head - based on the measurement from elbow to finger tip. Roman I think?

[JamesWales]

Being from a building trade background I used to always work in imperial, 8 X 4 ft sheets, 4 X 2" timber, 1 3/4" screws

its funny

we drink pints, I weigh 17 stone, Im 6ft 3" yet when I was in school we were told Imperial was dead and metric was the way forward and we would ditch Imperial, it never did go away

Exactly, it never went away, it's a small part of the culture and identity of the country and there is no issue treating the two equally if different people want to use it.

Obviously removing metric standards would be totally wrong as would not teaching it, but culturally the two can exist and it's fine to treat them equally in the law - mental that the EU ever pushed otherwise really.

[bobh]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...PjbXTfGZviVaMQ

13 out of 18.

Got all my guesses wrong!

18/18!

I knew most, had 2 lucky guesses.

[Des Parrot]

16/18 don’t know my sausages & flummoxed by a peck!

[Lither_1927]

Disagree all you want. I've written lots about it, both academically and elsewhere.

Welsh choirs aren't controlled and dictated to by any globalist organisations. Utterly ridiculous comment.

I've listened to enough traditional music to know what i like. You may have written an opinion piece but it's not scientific fact. It's your opinion.

The concept *is* utterly ridiculous, that was the point. just like the distant Globalsts in Brussels diluting national culture with dictat. Ridiculous

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I've listened to enough traditional music to know what i like. You may have written an opinion piece but it's not scientific fact. It's your opinion.

The concept *is* utterly ridiculous, that was the point. just like the distant Globalsts in Brussels diluting national culture with dictat. Ridiculous

It is a fact that traditional male voice choirs are in decline and are dying. That's not an opinion.

[NYCBlue]

I live in the US, so imperial measures never went away. We also use Fahrenheit. I've sometimes wondered, do people talk about the size dicks in centimeters?

[life on mars]

Not sure what it achieves other than gesture politics . Got a feeling only 3 countries use it one being the , USA perhaps it please our freinds accross the pond?

I cant weight for the backlash.

[ToTaL ITK]

I live in the US, so imperial measures never went away. We also use Fahrenheit. I've sometimes wondered, do people talk about the size dicks in centimeters?

i think you've been wondering that a lot