Did anyone else think that was a penalty...

[Grangenders]

Re: Did anyone else think that was a penalty...

The attacker has acted quickly and has beaten Allen to the ball who has been too slow to react resulting in a careless challenge in the area. According to the rules a penalty kick shall be awarded.

VAR has not overturned it as it is not a clear and obvious error due to the timing, whilst the attacker has not helped his case by overacting to the extent that he did.

As many state above, the foul is clearly mandated in the rule book.

[Rjk]

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Please explain to me that if 'careless, reckless, or using excessive force' are actually written in the rule book, they are implicit.

(Definition of implicit -"suggested though not directly expressed")

explicit would be better

[Tuerto]

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What's implicit to the rules is; careless, reckless, or using excessive force because that's what written in the rule book!

Not sure on your list but it's listed differently here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules...and-misconduct

I can't see where Allen was Careless, Reckless or used excessive force. The Ukrainian player was behind him, he had no way of knowing that he was there or that he was going to place his foot in front of his before Allen made contact with the ball. Everything Allen did was natural. The defining factor is that Allen doesn't have eyes in the back of his head (unlike my mother) I just can't for the life of me, understand what people think that he did wrong. His foot wasn't high, his elbows/arms weren't in an unnatural position, he didn't stamp or kick backwards, nothing indicates that what he did (attempt to kick the ball) was reckless, careless or excessive.

[PaulWent76]

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A clear foul that could have resulted in serious injury to Joe Allen with the Ukrainian player tackling from behind in a careless and reckless manner.
Could have been given either way.

[Loramski]

Re: Did anyone else think that was a penalty...

the more I think about it the more I'm convinced it was the correct decision, even if it's the kind of challenge that you will often see given.

if a goalkeeper was going for a punch clearance and an opposition player sneaks in from behind him unseen and sticks his head in the way of the punch as it is about to connect with the ball then it would be really harsh to send the keeper off and award a penalty.

If the attacker heads the ball then the goalkeeper punches him in the head that's a foul, surely? Yarmolenko hasn't sneaked up on Allen, he's able to run up alongside him because Allen is too slow, looking up to find a pass when he should've been racing to the ball. As soon as Allen realises he's there he takes a little hop on his right so he can boot it clear with his left but Yarmolenko nicks the ball and Allen boots him instead. I don't think it's a yellow, especially as Yarmolenko is running away from goal, but it has to be a penalty. I've no idea why it wasn't given.

[Cardiff-Cal]

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People who think it was a pen don’t realise that common sense can be used by VAR and refs as well. Was it a foul? Yes, was it worthy of giving the other team a penalty, and more than likely a goal in a World Cup play off final, NO!

[Hilts]

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I can't see where Allen was Careless, Reckless or used excessive force. The Ukrainian player was behind him, he had no way of knowing that he was there or that he was going to place his foot in front of his before Allen made contact with the ball. Everything Allen did was natural. The defining factor is that Allen doesn't have eyes in the back of his head (unlike my mother) I just can't for the life of me, understand what people think that he did wrong. His foot wasn't high, his elbows/arms weren't in an unnatural position, he didn't stamp or kick backwards, nothing indicates that what he did (attempt to kick the ball) was reckless, careless or excessive.

You dont think a player trying to play out from his own box shouldn't be aware of an opposition player even if hes behind him?. You dont need eyes in the back of your head. It was poor play. Allens reaction was to shout at those behind him.

[The Lone Gunman]

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This thread is comedy gold.

Of course it should have been a penalty. It was a blatant foul. In the penalty area. However, thankfully, the VAR on this particular occasion was as utterly useless as the VAR's are in most Premier League games.

"There was no intent...."

How often do players intentionally foul opponents in the penalty area?!?

Ref: "Did you mean to clatter into your opponent and bring him down in the penalty area?"

Player: "No ref, I was going for the ball, I didn't mean to foul him."

Ref: "No problem then, play on."

:hehe::hehe::hehe:

[Tuerto]

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You dont think a player trying to play out from his own box shouldn't be aware of an opposition player even if hes behind him?. You dont need eyes in the back of your head. It was poor play. Allens reaction was to shout at those behind him.

You can't be penalised for a lack of awareness, which is great news for the majority of our players.

[Don Corleone]

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I can only think the ref thought the Ukrainian exaggerated his fall and VAR agreed but it looked like a penalty in real time in the stadium and even more so when I saw the replay. Surprisingly though I read the Ukrainian manager didn’t seem to think it was a penalty either

[Tuerto]

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This thread is comedy gold.

Of course it should have been a penalty. It was a blatant foul. In the penalty area. However, thankfully, the VAR on this particular occasion was as utterly useless as the VAR's are in most Premier League games.

"There was no intent...."

How often do players intentionally foul opponents in the penalty area?!?

Ref: "Did you mean to clatter into your opponent and bring him down in the penalty area?"

Player: "No ref, I was going for the ball, I didn't mean to foul him."

Ref: "No problem then, play on."

:hehe::hehe::hehe:

There's the risk of getting it wrong if you tackle a player in the penalty box, but generally, nearly always, the attacker is in the line of vision of the defender. Allen didn't dive in, didn't mis time, wasn't in an unnatural position and couldn't see the **** either. All of that was obviously taken into account, and rightly so.

[Alfresco]

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The Ukranian knew what he was doing he stuck his foot in front of Allen's foot, it was an unnatural movement. Should have been booked for diving:wales:

[Tuerto]

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I can only think the ref thought the Ukrainian exaggerated his fall and VAR agreed but it looked like a penalty in real time in the stadium and even more so when I saw the replay. Surprisingly though I read the Ukrainian manager didn’t seem to think it was a penalty either

The Ukrainian manager knows his football!

[The Lone Gunman]

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Allen didn't dive in, didn't mis time.....

:hehe::hehe::hehe:

Didn't mistime?!? He kicked the player, not the ball!

Give your head a wobble.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Re: Did anyone else think that was a penalty...

This thread is comedy gold.

Of course it should have been a penalty. It was a blatant foul. In the penalty area. However, thankfully, the VAR on this particular occasion was as utterly useless as the VAR's are in most Premier League games.

"There was no intent...."

How often do players intentionally foul opponents in the penalty area?!?

Ref: "Did you mean to clatter into your opponent and bring him down in the penalty area?"

Player: "No ref, I was going for the ball, I didn't mean to foul him."

Ref: "No problem then, play on."

:hehe::hehe::hehe:

So…. Is it your contention that it wasn’t given as a penalty because of the incompetence of a referee and the professional(s) running VAR, and that a bunch of armchair fans would unanimously awarded a penalty with the same evidence?