Tories lose both by elections.

[cyril evans awaydays]

David Miliband, Clegg, Johnson & Starmer are all batting for the same team, so don't get confused by the party colours.

This comes over as vague and smarmy in a thread where the majority of contributors are having a sensible debate. Perhaps you could explain your point in ways that other contributors could discuss on its merits or get off the pot.