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    Re: Wee Jimmy Krankie is off again

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    Totally agree with you. The political landscape of the UK is unrecognisable from 2014. Labour has no mandate in Scotland. We've left the EU. NI is a mess. We have an English Nationalist Prime Minister and government.

    Welsh Labour will not be able to ally themselves to a Starmeresque PLP (nor should they) if it's Tory-Lite. I really don't know how Welsh people can support this current crop of Conservatives and government as they hold us (Wales) in complete contempt. Starmer campaigning for a UK will just backfire in Wales and NI as it already has in Scotland.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for Scotland to have another vote. There shouldn't be any limit on the number of times. Anyone who argues against this argues against democracy itself. More voting is a good thing. More people voting is a good thing.

    The Sennedd should have greater power. Westminster's style of government is ancient. Unfit for purpose. Invoking Henry VIII powers says all you need to know about its ability to support and respect the people who vote for our MPs. Don't even get me started on the The Lords.

    Cyril makes great point about the border issues and the EU's attitude towards us. However, it's much more likely that in order to keep the UK in one piece, we'll have to embrace EU membership again. In a lot of respects, it would solve many problems (providing Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast keep their national governments).

    Yes, the 'Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party' made themselves look right dicks as does anyone who wants to weaken the democracy of their country, speaks ill if the Senedd or even actively supports its abolition.

    I've said many times, I'm not into Nationalism. I've now had enough of flags and anthems. I'm much more concerned about people's power to decide for themselves and for that reason independence appeals. Independence doesn't mean nationalism. F*ck it. I'd even like to see an independent Grangetown!
    Westminster holds Wales in such contempt they're set to overturn Welsh legislation because they don't like it.

    You're quite right, independence doesn't mean nationalism. It's apparent that, politically, England, Wales, NI and Scotland are three distinct countries and it's probably better for them to have these debates over independence

    I notice in the most recent poll, 25% of Welsh people back independence, up to 32% when discounting "don't knows". That's a significant jump from where that issue was not long ago and I can't imagine Johnson's "muscular unionism" is helping the unionist cause much

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    Re: Wee Jimmy Krankie is off again

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Westminster holds Wales in such contempt they're set to overturn Welsh legislation because they don't like it.

    You're quite right, independence doesn't mean nationalism. It's apparent that, politically, England, Wales, NI and Scotland are three distinct countries and it's probably better for them to have these debates over independence

    I notice in the most recent poll, 25% of Welsh people back independence, up to 32% when discounting "don't knows". That's a significant jump from where that issue was not long ago and I can't imagine Johnson's "muscular unionism" is helping the unionist cause much
    Isn't Wales the lowest revenue from tax per population in the UK?

    If so how would that work if we were independant?

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    Re: Wee Jimmy Krankie is off again

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Westminster holds Wales in such contempt they're set to overturn Welsh legislation because they don't like it.

    You're quite right, independence doesn't mean nationalism. It's apparent that, politically, England, Wales, NI and Scotland are three distinct countries and it's probably better for them to have these debates over independence

    I notice in the most recent poll, 25% of Welsh people back independence, up to 32% when discounting "don't knows". That's a significant jump from where that issue was not long ago and I can't imagine Johnson's "muscular unionism" is helping the unionist cause much
    This is public spending by country. "Westminster holds Wales in contempt" sounds like nationalist tub thumping that doesn't stand up under even the lightest of scrutiny.

    Wales £12,889
    England £11,783

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn04033/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    This is public spending by country. "Westminster holds Wales in contempt" sounds like nationalist tub thumping that doesn't stand up under even the lightest of scrutiny.

    Wales £12,889
    England £11,783

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn04033/
    Nice try at deflection there Mr J. There's no tub-thumping going on. I know you like your links so here's another one for you https://nation.cymru/news/not-right-...-military-aid/

    The BTL comments are very revealing too. Yma o Hyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    Nice try at deflection there Mr J. There's no tub-thumping going on. I know you like your links so here's another one for you https://nation.cymru/news/not-right-...-military-aid/

    The BTL comments are very revealing too. Yma o Hyd.
    1/ It's not deflection. Someone who holds someone else in contempt doesn't give them significantly more funding than the person they supposedly represent.

    2 / I think someone saying that Westminster holds Wales in contempt is tubthumping. There's no real justification for that strong word. It's wholly designed to be divisive.

    3 / I think my statistics trump your article, given that they refer to all public spending. Your's refers to a specific payment to the Ukraine. When the UK govt announce extra spending on English hospitals, then Wales' gets the corresponding amount, to spend as it wishes. I see no issue here really, although it should all be done in agreement, but I doubt Wales or Scotland would agree.

    4 / I'm proud that Wales is militarily supporting Ukraine. Our share of £1bn towards weapons against Putin will go further than a Ukraine flag on a facebook profile. It also probably makes economic sense, as the Ukraine-Russia war is severely damaging all western economies, including ours in Wales.

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    Re: Wee Jimmy Krankie is off again

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    1/ It's not deflection. Someone who holds someone else in contempt doesn't give them significantly more funding than the person they supposedly represent.

    2 / I think someone saying that Westminster holds Wales in contempt is tubthumping. There's no real justification for that strong word. It's wholly designed to be divisive.

    3 / I think my statistics trump your article, given that they refer to all public spending. Your's refers to a specific payment to the Ukraine. When the UK govt announce extra spending on English hospitals, then Wales' gets the corresponding amount, to spend as it wishes. I see no issue here really, although it should all be done in agreement, but I doubt Wales or Scotland would agree.

    4 / I'm proud that Wales is militarily supporting Ukraine. Our share of £1bn towards weapons against Putin will go further than a Ukraine flag on a facebook profile.
    After your reply to me on the other thread I've no wish to discuss anything or have anything to do with you. Just ignore my posts please and I'll do the same to yours.

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    Re: Wee Jimmy Krankie is off again

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    After your reply to me on the other thread I've no wish to discuss anything or have anything to do with you. Just ignore my posts please and I'll do the same to yours.
    I hope you feel better after lunch.

    Perhaps if you don't like being called racist, you shouldn't run around calling other people the same? There's an idea. Use logic instead.

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