Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
no, I never stated that.
there needs to have been some "thing" for there to have been a big bang - a massive concentration of energy.
once you have that I am very comfortable with the notion that increasing complexity can randomly form from this spontaneous release of energy, ultimately resulting in all matter, all life and even the ball point pen I am holding in my hand.
do I know what caused the big bang - of course not, possibly, an earlier universe collapsing in on itself, but that just kicks the can down the road, just not as far as you have to kick it to also invent a god powerful enough to create a whole universe yet petty enough to care about trivial details

And who or what created the initial thing?
You are making the mistake of judging our existence within the parameters of your daily life. You think what limits you, would limit our creator. Whatever the truth of our existence it's far more complex than your limited brain can fathom.
I've seen some crazy suggestions from quantum physicists. One being that our existence could be a 3D projection of a complex mathematical formula. I.E. Gods plan.

Tito don't get angry, grow a brain and stop using "racist" slurs out of spite because you have no argument.