Have The Tories Come A Long Way ( Are They More Diverse Than Other Parties )

[lardy]

Ypur personal opinion of Boris is irrelevant to the point that Delmbox made.
I have my issues with Boris and the fake Conservatives currently running the Tory party.
But Boris is a highly gifted brain and won a landslide GE, who are you to argue with that? he essentially had to quit because some gay guy groped another man, such is the wokeness of politics today.

Johnson was the best person to lead the Tories in the election. He's since proven himself not to be the best person to be PM.

Is it just my personal opinion? Well let's see.

He was running increasingly bad numbers in polling, with the majority of people wanting him out by the end.

In a vote of confidence, he narrowly won but the majority of his own backbenchers wanted him out. He had enough ministers to get him over the line, but within weeks 50+ of them had resigned - even ones that he had appointed hours earlier!

So yeah, I'm pretty ok with my personal opinion on this one.

[life on mars]

Johnson was the best person to lead the Tories in the election. He's since proven himself not to be the best person to be PM.

Is it just my personal opinion? Well let's see.

He was running increasingly bad numbers in polling, with the majority of people wanting him out by the end.

In a vote of confidence, he narrowly won but the majority of his own backbenchers wanted him out. He had enough ministers to get him over the line, but within weeks 50+ of them had resigned - even ones that he had appointed hours earlier!

So yeah, I'm pretty ok with my personal opinion on this one.

The Tories will miss his campaigning skills , highly intelligent , barmy , lazy , funny , annoying , doesn't care about rules ,happy to upset folk , doesn't think or care happy to use unfortunate descriptions of people ( like a footy /pub lad thing ) which he describes as being "wholly satirical," while others have been taken out of context. there areas some truths to that as the pillar box one was where he was defencing ( badly )

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...burqa-comments


https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...19-6?r=US&IR=T

I can see lads/men saying stuff like this back in the day :

"The unanimous opinion is that what has been called the 'Tottymeter' reading is higher than at any Labour Party conference in living memory," he wrote.


He added that: "Time and again the 'Tottymeter' has gone off as a young woman delegate mounts the rostrum."

He has a runaway mouth another classic He once said, 'Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts' if anyone thinks that it is nothing but banter then they have never been out for few pints and fecked up themselves

Do I hate him ( no )
Was he the right PM at the time ( yes the alternative opposition leader was dreadful )
Would I have a pint with him (oh yes )
Have I met him yes briefly ( mad as a box of frogs )
Did he do good stuff as PM in exceptionally difficult times (yes)
Was he a different type of PM (oh yes)
Is he lazy and hates detail ( yes ,and a reason for his downfall )
Did he make stupid baffling decision ( oh yes )
Was he too loyal to the sext pests and others who let him down badly oh yes ( way too loyal )
Did he have to go yes as he is tainted by the past .
Was he too soft on how No 10 was run ( yep, you cant be a PM and nice, ask Blair or Brown , as some folk can smell a weakness and take advantage and power brings feck wits )

What struck me everyone knows the above way before he was PM , and he still romped to a 80 seat majority with broken politcial party and pulled in opposition votes, a lot was down to Brexit ,n anti Terresa May , Corbyn ,Diane Abbott , anti-Semitism , but a lot was down to him being liked for who he was .

Now he has gone and Sir Keir's and a big vote winner has gone , how will that play out I wonder ???

[cyril evans awaydays]

The Tories will miss his campaigning skills , highly intelligent , barmy , lazy , funny , annoying , doesn't care about rules ,happy to upset folk , doesn't think or care happy to use unfortunate descriptions of people ( like a footy /pub lad thing ) which he describes as being "wholly satirical," while others have been taken out of context. there areas some truths to that as the pillar box one was where he was defencing ( badly )

I can see lads/men saying stuff like this back in the day

You have to wonder who reached this conclusion at the time of the burka quote:

It's not even a funny joke it was a insult in case anyone has forgotten he then followed it up with a suggestion about bank robbers , it's a typical white upper class twit jibe ,which they think they can make out of some deluded thought born from being a toff , were all supposed to say ,oh silly old Boris, or silky old Prince Phillip , there upper class snobs and arrogant with it.

Most of us, although not supportive of the gear they wear as it is suppressing womanhood in its very nature, and I'm guessing a lot would not be allowed out if not worn, would never utter these Boris type views , his privalge allows him to get away with it ,in this age of disliking foreigners.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

You have to wonder who reached this conclusion at the time of the burka quote:

More "Whack-a-Mole" stuff. They keep coming back for more, don't they?

[JamesWales]

You have to wonder who reached this conclusion at the time of the burka quote:

I don't think the Tories will miss Johnson now because he ceased to be Johnson. He became a damaged brand. I do think that parties need a variety of different types of politician, and a 'Johnson-type', ie broadly jovial, friendly, un-PC, shoots from the hip, imperfect, gets things done, blah de blah does have a role to play and we will miss that character, but I think his brand was trashed, not entirely fairly IMO, but thats how it is.

Will be interesting to see what kind of cabinet the new leader builds, because someone fitting that role is useful, and key to retaining some of the appeal Johnson offered. In terms of the critique of identity politics, Kemi Badenoch does offer some of that, and it will be interesting to see generally white, generally middle class, left wingers get their heads in a spin being confused at the identity game they helped to create.

[jon1959]

I don't think the Tories will miss Johnson now because he ceased to be Johnson.

People may have stopped falling for it, but Johnson was Johnson from beginning to end.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

People may have stopped falling for it, but Johnson was Johnson from beginning to end.

Precisely. As is often the case in life, the ability to ascend to a position does not always correlate with the ability to perform effectively in that position - and it is often the case with 'populist' candidates.

[lardy]

Precisely. As is often the case in life, the ability to ascend to a position does not always correlate with the ability to perform effectively in that position - and it is often the case with 'populist' candidates.

The Peter Principle.

[the other bob wilson]

I don't think the Tories will miss Johnson now because he ceased to be Johnson. He became a damaged brand. I do think that parties need a variety of different types of politician, and a 'Johnson-type', ie broadly jovial, friendly, un-PC, shoots from the hip, imperfect, gets things done, blah de blah does have a role to play and we will miss that character, but I think his brand was trashed, not entirely fairly IMO, but thats how it is.

Will be interesting to see what kind of cabinet the new leader builds, because someone fitting that role is useful, and key to retaining some of the appeal Johnson offered. In terms of the critique of identity politics, Kemi Badenoch does offer some of that, and it will be interesting to see generally white, generally middle class, left wingers get their heads in a spin being confused at the identity game they helped to create.

No party needs a Johnson type.

[JamesWales]

No party needs a Johnson type.

Well great swathes of the popultion would say they are tired of politicians who aren't themselves, have little personality and are afraid to say it 'as they see it', so I do think there is a need for that type of politician tbh, but certainly they won't appeal to everyone.

[lardy]

Well great swathes of the popultion would say they are tired of politicians who aren't themselves, have little personality and are afraid to say it 'as they see it', so I do think there is a need for that type of politician tbh, but certainly they won't appeal to everyone.

The man who "says it like he sees it"

The man who famously prepared a leave and remain article in the telegraph shortly before deciding to back leave.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Well great swathes of the popultion would say they are tired of politicians who aren't themselves, have little personality and are afraid to say it 'as they see it', so I do think there is a need for that type of politician tbh, but certainly they won't appeal to everyone.

Whatever you say, Boris is a compulsive liar and is a man of limited ethics. He has a history of deceit and not being a team player. I don't think there is a 'need' for that type of politician.

[the other bob wilson]

Well great swathes of the popultion would say they are tired of politicians who aren't themselves, have little personality and are afraid to say it 'as they see it', so I do think there is a need for that type of politician tbh, but certainly they won't appeal to everyone.

Johnson wasn’t that type of politician, besides all of his moral faults, he was also widely regarded to just go along with what the last person who spoke to him on any given subject thought - the man has never ever made me laugh and, as far as I can see, his strong point, campaigning, consisted of nothing more than him going around wearing daft clothes, giving a thumbs up sign and gurning. I’m prepared to admit that my complete disregard for the man probably means that I don’t recognise that he is an effective campaigner, but, apart from that, he’s a man with very few political skills - we’ve just lived through a real life version of the Emperor’s New Clothes.