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No it’s correct. Reading used to have a block next to the away end reserved for overflow if clubs sold out. That took the away end capacity to about 3500/4000.
Reading then put their singing section in that overflow block meaning they’re now limited to only 2000 away fans.
I’m led to believe West Ham have more “useable” seats than Tottenham and have installed measures like this (next to the away fans ) to decrease segregation 07115E08-71D8-4586-8B77-918C1F1A8966.jpg
Some of them wont, but that's the same for all clubs, it just happens at a different rate due to the success or lack of at a football club. The majority of people don't want to be associated with a shit product-Shock, Horror!
You said that our hardcore was around 16000, 25 years ago it was probably around the 4000 mark. Due to us playing at a higher level and some relative success, our hardcore is now 16000. Do you see where this is going? That's a 400% increase in support by my reckoning.
It's impossible to predict and we can only have our opinions on it.
Our fanbase has changed somewhat over the last 20 years. We've lost fans due to the red shirt fiasco, fans will come and go for various reasons, but we've had a stable number of around 16k since the days of Russell Slade, which could be better, but is a figure we've improved on with promotion and I think we'll do better than that again this season. I assume the figure of around 13k season tickets is about right. I don't think that would be affected all that much.
I'm looking at attendance figures of teams that have been Championship regulars when they've gone down to League 1. If there's been a drop in attendance, it's been the season a club has been relegated, more often than a drop the season afterwards in League 1. Several sides have seen crowds improve after relegation. Not too many clubs see a drop in crowds, any drops seem to be no more than around 2k.
Last season we managed an average attendance of just shy of 19k in a season where we were utter shit and struggled at the bottom. This season we look set to have similar crowds. I know there's a gut instinct that crowds would drop if we did get relegated, but that doesn't match the statistics.
This region has a history of not supporting its sports teams very well
South Wales is a big events place , we can pull big crowds but not on a consistent basis
I know it's hard to accept but it's true . I would love to see us packed out with a waiting list for season tickets but it's not going to happen .
Yes for one season
It wouldn't take fans long to complain about boring football to have an excuse
When I was supporting CCFC in the dungeon we were under the illusion that success would bring the crowds
It hasn't really has it ?
I mean considering the size of our support area ?
It's been very disappointing
[QUOTE=Eric the Half a Bee;5330953]There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that your opinion would happen. You're going by pure gut instinct because you have a downer on our fan base as a whole.
Honestly I can't be arsed
You can get your little book out all day long
If you think success has brought increased crowds to Cardiff city you are ignoring the very facts you like to wax about
15500 v Leeds
Great win
4 days later
9500
And this sort of event has been a regular occurance in this clubs history
Big game .....oh let's have some of that
Few games later ......can't be bothered
Deny it all you want , it's always been the same