The brexit effect

[Doucas]

https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y

This video by the financial times published today obliterates arguments that brexit hasn't had serious negative affects on the UK.

It looks at how it's more expensive to import but our amount of exports haven't gone up. It shows investment into the UK has plummetted. In addition to this it shows case studies of the real affects it's had on businesses in addition to costing £100 billion a year.

'It's given us an unequal playing field with competitors overseas'.

What will it take for brexiters to wake up?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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[HyperboreanCCFC]

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What will it take for remainers to understand that it wasn't all about numbers on a spreadsheet and the true analysis of Brexit won't be credible for another 15/20 years

[Doucas]

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The average brexiter when confronted with how damaging their votes have been ladies and gentlemen.

[Doucas]

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What will it take for remainers to understand that it wasn't all about numbers on a spreadsheet and the true analysis of Brexit won't be credible for another 15/20 years

So you admit the numbers are damaging right now then?

[JamesWales]

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The average brexiter when confronted with how damaging their votes have been ladies and gentlemen.

There's no ladies on here Doucas. If you can't even get that right...

[Dorcus]

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Wakey wakey!

[superfeathers]

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What will it take for remainers to understand that it wasn't all about numbers on a spreadsheet and the true analysis of Brexit won't be credible for another 15/20 years

Keep telling yourself that.
Most other Brexit voters will convince themselves of this, as most of the old racist retirees will be dead within that timescale, sleeping safely in the knowledge they f***ed the prospects of their grandkids

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Keep telling yourself that.
Most other Brexit voters will convince themselves of this, as most of the old racist retirees will be dead within that timescale, sleeping safely in the knowledge they f***ed the prospects of their grandkids

So many brexit voters I know are casual racists , they always let their mask slip

[superfeathers]

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So many brexit voters I know are casual racists , they always let their mask slip

Thats unfair. They just wanted the brown immigrants stopped. Many don’t mask that either

[az city]

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There's no ladies on here Doucas. If you can't even get that right...

Philomena, you are the one who constantly calls for comparatives to demonstrate the negative effect of Brexit. I suggest you actually watch the video, admit you've been duped and mistaken, and, then apologize to the rest of us for the utter obfuscating bollocks you've subjected us to.

[Wales-Bales]

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What will it take for brexiters to wake up?

Winter blackouts in the UK ... and in the USA? A financial crisis in China? A famine in Asia? :sherlock:

[Dorcus]

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Winter blackouts in the UK ... and in the USA? A financial crisis in China? A famine in Asia? :sherlock:

I don't think even those will be enough.

[JamesWales]

Re: The brexit effect

https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y

This video by the financial times published today obliterates arguments that brexit hasn't had serious negative affects on the UK.

It looks at how it's more expensive to import but our amount of exports haven't gone up. It shows investment into the UK has plummetted. In addition to this it shows case studies of the real affects it's had on businesses in addition to costing £100 billion a year.

'It's given us an unequal playing field with competitors overseas'.

What will it take for brexiters to wake up?

It's a fair question Doucas, although I don't really like the archaic terms of Brexiters, Remainers etc..it's all a bit divisive and most people don't define themselves as such.

Nonetheless, as someone who voted Leave in 2016, I would seriously question it if:

Major economic metrics were negative when comparing UK with our EU peers..lets say France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Italy etc.

The major metrics I'd consider are things like unemployment, wage growth, GDP growth, inflation, stock markets, currencies etc. Things like that.

Now on those metrics, on some cases UK looks less good, on others better, but generally speaking there is no clear economic difference between the UK and those countries, there simply isn't. Our unemployment isn't higher, our inflation isn't higher, The FTSE isn't struggling more, our currencies are all weak, GDP growth is broadly comparable.

Other metrics of course exist, there are dozens and dozens of them, but fundementally they will feed into the major ones above.

I'd also question some of this. UK exports are at a record high, and you can actually see a rise that begins after 2016

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-at-record-high

I do agree that trade between the EU and UK will never have been easier than when we were members, but most businesses don't trade with the EU and the counter argument to that is that trade with non EU countries should become easier - and this is where future global growth is likely.

So, that is how I would assess it, and as others have suggested, it's not all about economic matters - the freedom to develop our own laws is also a big thing, and I am particularly interested in how we can pay farmers to better maintain their land etc.

[Canton Kev]

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I do agree that trade between the EU and UK will never have been easier than when we were members, but most businesses don't trade with the EU and the counter argument to that is that trade with non EU countries should become easier - and this is where future global growth is likely.

So, that is how I would assess it, and as others have suggested, it's not all about economic matters - the freedom to develop our own laws is also a big thing, and I am particularly interested in how we can pay farmers to better maintain their land etc.

So make it harder and more expensive to trade with the 26 countries on our doorstep which we share a road/rail connection with and who are our biggest trade partners. To make it possibly easier to trade with countries 1000’s of miles away where produce can only arrive by plane or ship or come via the road/rail connection that already existed but now has much more expense and paperwork.

“Most businesses don’t trade with the EU”
I bet the ones that do trade more with the EU than non EU countries. Mine definitely does.

Oh well. Hopefully things improve for the ~100,000 farmers whose sector accounts for 0.4% of the economy. How times have changed, it used to be the fishermen that we did Brexit for :hehe: