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An interesting read.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-matt-hancock/
Hancock, Whitty and Johnson knew full well that non-medical face masks do very little to prevent transmission of the virus. People were made to wear them anyway because Dominic Cummings was fixated with them; because Nicola Sturgeon liked them; and above all because they were symbolic of the public health emergency.Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
As I argued at the time
If I could smell the Mrs' perfume with one on, I figured the same. People in restaurants taking off their masks to eat, putting back on to stand up or go the toilet. I - along with around 5% perhaps on here - spent 2 years saying we were being told bollocks.
My guess is Isabel Oakeshott didn't get anywhere near reviewing any of the juicy stuff.
Apologies for breaking into this group hug.
In a few strides it seems to have leapt from the co-authored opinions and musings of Hancock and Oakeshott, to an extracted bit about non-medical masks to your conclusion that medical guidance was bollocks.
Here is the wiki on Covid face masks. Includes links to the multiplicity of studies on mask effectiveness, which vary by type but all offer a level of protection, particularly in indoor settings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_m...ID-19_pandemic
Remarkably almost every country on the planet where Covid has had a footprint reached the conclusion that mask wearing had a key role to play in Covid prevention, particularly when stricter lockdown measures were lifted. There are arguments around the fringes on whether some of the measures introduced were over cautious and politically driven.
However to see this as some kind of vindication that you and your small cohort are somehow vindicated verses the wealth of expert guidance and medical studies is frankly for the birds.
And the reason for masks being worn in South Korea, Norway, Portugal, the USA, Egypt, etc?
I didn’t think Sturgeon and Cummings had that much influence on global decisions.
100% true, I read it on Twitter a few months ago.
So vaccines were wrong, lockdowns were wrong, and masks were wrong.
What was the right way to deal with covid?
As I said , the home made cartoon , non medical ones is what I’m taking about. Did you actually read the article ?
This country paid a catastrophic price for what I see as a reckless overreaction to a disease that was only life-threatening to a small number of people who could have been protected without imprisoning the entire population.
Let the bodies pile high
Like in care homes ?
Yep read it.
It seems to restate the known fact that masks helped lift lockdowns. That after those restrictions were lifted all masks helped prevent the spread of Covid compared with letting people wander around without them. Bizarely non-medical masks were less effective than medical ones.
Still, in a different universe where no rational nation state decided to go, there was an option where the "enlightened libertarians" it was possible to create an age and infirm apartheid state. Those weak and infirm would live a bit like house arrest, potentially having to show proof of age to the Covid police if they were suspected of breaking restrictions.
Except that the friends and relatives of those who were free to circulate because the virus was less likely to kill them might pop in to see the vulnerable now and again.
Still, in your head that dystopian world is far less troublesome than the solutions the Western World came up with.
I think anybody who cared about elderly friends and relatives would have kept well away from them (the weak and vulnerable ) or mitigated together their own risk assessments (as they should have been allowed to). It’s worth noting that according to reports, the virus was around about six months before any intervention and the “within 28 days of a positive test” was a master stroke for compliance.
What age would have you drawn the line when the virus first went...well viral..for the people who needed to be isolated? What would all the others be able to do freely in this world in your head?
The gifted and talented have so far offered avoid and isolate old people, which I seem to remember did happen, and still countries around the world were facing a fatal shortage of ventilators around May 2020.
So maybe a bit more was needed?
I think it was established early on that ventilators did more harm than good to the weak and frail.
And what about people who were not weak and frail, but would otherwise die without a ventilator. Do you think it was a mistake to use it for them?
These articles may be of use
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...id-19-patients
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/c...-a9458541.html
So the medical community quickly learned how to use ventilators more effectively and disseminated the knowledge globally to save lives? That's great!
Or are you saying that ventilators are a bad thing? In which case, my question will be:
If vaccines were wrong, lockdowns were wrong, ventilators were wrong, and masks were wrong, what was the right way to deal with covid?
I think the subject has already been covered in earlier posts.
No, it never has been. There's been lots of comments that masks don't work, lockdowns don't work, and so on. Comments from you, as well as others.
My question is what do you think should have been done instead of those things? I can't help but notice you're refusing to answer
I would have probably followed Sweden’s pathway and also allowed more social responsibility.
The WFH is a good thing that’s come out of it.
I would also would have preferred a more balanced media viewpoint and allowed people who had different views to be heard and would have liked the law enforcement agencies to prosecute casual discrimination that was prevalent towards people with a different opinion.
The same Sweden who’s Covid death rate is 1.6x higher than Finland and 2.5x higher than Norway? Their 2 immediate neighbours and most comparable countries.
The masks that most of us seemed to be wearing in the UK wouldn't have permitted us to use public transport in Germany.
I wasn't allowed entry to a bus as a result and had to upgrade.
You can thank Nicola Sturgeon for that
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