Mental Health Amongst The Homeless

[Citizen's Nephew]

Terrible excuse not to work in my opinion. People that have to look after family aren't anything special,.it is something we should do, and with the other time you have spare get a part time job and don't spend it on your own leisure, like millions of others have to do, families up and down the country battle poverty working dead end minimum wage jobs and still have epder family members to look after whilst holding together a family. Then there are the ones that are "ful time carers" don't do a jot else apart from spending their spare time on hobbies. Can work won't work.

Tis a shame.

This is such a huge generalisation and pretty offensive tbh. I'm not going to bother with this thread as it's already turned into a sh*t show so I'm out.

[Jordi Culé]

I've got a mate who does that with free money, free board and lodge, he hated work, he absolutely loves life as a carer and hasn't got a care in the World. He's a nice bloke but he has always been lazy bustard.

Calling bolllocks on this as soon as I read that you've got a mate.

You think being a full time carer is for lazy baastards?

Fair play, you're a deluded cuunt.

[dembethewarrior]

This is such a huge generalisation and pretty offensive tbh. I'm not going to bother with this thread as it's already turned into a sh*t show so I'm out.

A smart man who followed the thread would get it

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Terrible excuse not to work in my opinion. People that have to look after family aren't anything special,.it is something we should do, and with the other time you have spare get a part time job and don't spend it on your own leisure, like millions of others have to do, families up and down the country battle poverty working dead end minimum wage jobs and still have epder family members to look after whilst holding together a family. Then there are the ones that are "ful time carers" don't do a jot else apart from spending their spare time on hobbies. Can work won't work.

Tis a shame.

You really are a fecking asshole

My old dear , before she died last May was seriously ill but the NHS simply didn't have space for her so she died at home

We as a family didn't really have a choice in the matter

It's feckin exhausting looking after a loved one and I got ....feck all for it .....no benefits, no hand outs , no scrounging

Now if you or any of the gobshites want to discuss caring , scrounging or anything else pm me and I will see you down the ground

I will not be kicking your arse , I will be educating your ignorance

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Sorry to hear that Wash.

That's really sad dude , take care

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The point of the link is perhaps people like you and Linda shouldn't just shout out numbers that is on the top of their head.

Someone on here may know different (?) but Cardiff have a rough sleepers team out nightly engaging with rough sleepers and doing the numbers.

Interesting you don't question homelessness charities so much? I wonder how much their CEOs' and directors are paid in comparison to local authority homelessness staff?

The point is

Linda Thorne is shouting at figures that are way out in giving you the public the actual number of people sleeping on the streets

The problem is far more severe than the city council want you to believe

The last few weeks they have been putting up rough sleepers to get them off the streets and massage the figures and keep the tourists to winter wonderland happy

Give it the new year they will be back on the streets

[dembethewarrior]

You really are a fecking asshole

My old dear , before she died last May was seriously ill but the NHS simply didn't have space for her so she died at home

We as a family didn't really have a choice in the matter

It's feckin exhausting looking after a loved one and I got ....feck all for it .....no benefits, no hand outs , no scrounging

Now if you or any of the gobshites want to discuss caring , scrounging or anything else pm me and I will see you down the ground

I will not be kicking your arse , I will be educating your ignorance

Can only really go off the info you post.

You said you didn't work, you were a full time carer.

Personally I would have worked in the hours I had spare from caring, not watching football and fishing but I suppose we are all different.

I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to know your mother had passed, sorry to hear that.

You couldn't kick my arse, you wear t-shirts over your jumpers, I've seen the footage ;)

Not everyone that doesn't follow your view is ignorant btw.

If it's ok for people to give away their spare money at Xmas instead of spending so lavishly, same really as using your spare time to work if we swap the values of time and money in the situation..

[Jordi Culé]

The point is

Linda Thorne is shouting at figures that are way out in giving you the public the actual number of people sleeping on the streets

The problem is far more severe than the city council want you to believe

The last few weeks they have been putting up rough sleepers to get them off the streets and massage the figures and keep the tourists to winter wonderland happy

Give it the new year they will be back on the streets

I'll play devils advocate here and suggest Shelter, The Wallich illustrate the 'numbers' to garner public support and funding?

Shelter was established in 1966, their aim to stop homelessness. Not doing great are they?

Not sure if it's still the case but pre pandemic Cardiff had enough capacity in temporary accommodation that no individual needed to sleep rough. Covid meant every authority had to find accommodation for everyone and priority need was binned off.

The truth is Cardiff City Council would love to end homelessness in the city centre area as they feel the population of rough sleepers contribute to ASB and crime etc.

The sad fact is they do, councils are then given a choice to either engage them into services or criminalise them. In reality Cardiff City Council in the recent past have done both, like most Welsh authorities. The homelessness issue is a complex one, far too to look at it as simply as it appears you do.

I'm no fuucking Tory.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I'll play devils advocate here and suggest Shelter, The Wallich illustrate the 'numbers' to garner public support and funding?

Shelter was established in 1966, their aim to stop homelessness. Not doing great are they?

Not sure if it's still the case but pre pandemic Cardiff had enough capacity in temporary accommodation that no individual needed to sleep rough. Covid meant every authority had to find accommodation for everyone and priority need was binned off.

The truth is Cardiff City Council would love to end homelessness in the city centre area as they feel the population of rough sleepers contribute to ASB and crime etc.

The sad fact is they do, councils are then given a choice to either engage them into services or criminalise them. In reality Cardiff City Council in the recent past have done both, like most Welsh authorities. The homelessness issue is a complex one, far too to look at it as simply as it appears you do.

I'm no fuucking Tory.

Well you sound like one

Shelter don't build houses that's up to governments

Or sell council houses if they are tory ones

Shelter are a pressure group and that's it

You sound like you have swallowed the Welsh govt and cardiff councils publicity leaflets

Cardiff Council have been a knife in the back of the city's housing charities for many years . I worked for several in the 1990s and it never changes .

[Jordi Culé]

Well you sound like one

Shelter don't build houses that's up to governments

Or sell council houses if they are tory ones

Shelter are a pressure group and that's it

You sound like you have swallowed the Welsh govt and cardiff councils publicity leaflets

Cardiff Council have been a knife in the back of the city's housing charities for many years . I worked for several in the 1990s and it never changes .

Shelter Cymru heavily influenced the Housing Act (Wales) 2014 Act and have done since including this month's Renting Homes Act.

[logic]

Not sure if it's still the case but pre pandemic Cardiff had enough capacity in temporary accommodation that no individual needed to sleep rough. Covid meant every authority had to find accommodation for everyone and priority need was binned off.

Temporary accommodation rightly is strict on alcohol and drugs. Last thing people looking for a safe roof over their head is to have someone off their head around.

[J R Hartley]

He is alright. Dealt with him for years.

Give your money to the food bank buddy.

Just seen him outside Aldi. I didn’t give him anything. I must be a Tory.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Temporary accommodation rightly is strict on alcohol and drugs. Last thing people looking for a safe roof over their head is to have someone off their head around.

The problem is temp accommodation is by its nature not the solution

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Shelter Cymru heavily influenced the Housing Act (Wales) 2014 Act and have done since including this month's Renting Homes Act.

Yes that's what a campaigning and pressure group does

But they can't rebuild the millions of homes lost to the tories selling them

Comprende?

[Jordi Culé]

Yes that's what a campaigning and pressure group does

But they can't rebuild the millions of homes lost to the tories selling them

Comprende?

So Right to Buy was The Senedd and Cardiff City Councils fault? Not the Tories?

Right I got that.

Entirely agree with you on your sentiment regarding Right to Buy but you’re jumping around from one issue to another.

[Jordi Culé]

The problem is temp accommodation is by its nature not the solution

The only answer is more social housing. Without it rapid rehousing programmes will never get off the ground for multi complex needs individuals.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So Right to Buy was The Senedd and Cardiff City Councils fault? Not the Tories?

Right I got that.

Entirely agree with you on your sentiment regarding Right to Buy but you’re jumping around from one issue to another.

No the right to buy was the fault of the Tories....who gave huge reductions with taxpayers money to bribe people to buy council houses


The houses sold were not replaced by successive tory governments

Clearly the fault of the Tories

The implementation of local authority housing policy whilst dependent on central government funding .....was carried out by City councils and local Borough councils ....in Cardiff , Bridgend etc

So they were are responsible for implementing policy on a local level

I can't be any clearer than that and I don't know why you are confused

But that's by the by

Get your feckin money out

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The only answer is more social housing. Without it rapid rehousing programmes will never get off the ground for multi complex needs individuals.

I totally agree

We need a huge social housing building programme in the UK

But even on this thread we have people who are prepared to blanket people with , for example , substance problems and think only the really deserving should get any help

Get your money out

[superfeathers]

A long thread, so i've had to scan through, but homelessness is something that I've always thought of as there by the grace of god (as a saying of course, i'm not religious).
Sludge, in my opinion is spot on. All he's saying is to give a little bit of what you'd spend on christmas, to a cause like this.

I find it a sad indictment of society for every single person that doesn't understand this.

[superfeathers]

I helped one about 20 years ago. Ex squaddie who had been homeless. I was throwing away an old sofa, fridge and TV and the charity who come to our work said theyd take them off me, help this guy get back on his feet. I knew the guy. Same age as me. Never really liked him tbh but help him get back on his feet.

Fast forward 20 years he was found guilty last week of raping one of his 18 year old daughters friends. No doubt the Sludges of this world will defend him and blame the system but I wish I never helped the kent back on his feet.

I may be the only one, but reading this it didn't sit right that rather than concentrating on the disgusting crime someone you essentially grew up with committed, you were more concerned with what you had given to them (that you no longer wanted anyway).

[superfeathers]

Can only really go off the info you post.

You said you didn't work, you were a full time carer.

Personally I would have worked in the hours I had spare from caring, not watching football and fishing but I suppose we are all different.

I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to know your mother had passed, sorry to hear that.

You couldn't kick my arse, you wear t-shirts over your jumpers, I've seen the footage ;)

Not everyone that doesn't follow your view is ignorant btw.

If it's ok for people to give away their spare money at Xmas instead of spending so lavishly, same really as using your spare time to work if we swap the values of time and money in the situation..

I don't know if this is a reflection of the tory government we've lived under for so long.

Do you understand what a 'full time carer' means?

My dad years ago, passed, after suffering with dementia, and I understand.

I truly hope that you don't ever have to decide what do with the hours you have 'spare from caring'.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

A long thread, so i've had to scan through, but homelessness is something that I've always thought of as there by the grace of god (as a saying of course, i'm not religious).
Sludge, in my opinion is spot on. All he's saying is to give a little bit of what you'd spend on christmas, to a cause like this.

I find it a sad indictment of society for every single person that doesn't understand this.

Well of course there are people who society has tried to help time and again and that can involve addiction but that's an easy brush to paint sufferers with

If one can generalise homelessness can come from job loss , relationship breakdown , financial problems , sexual abuse , forced marriage , racism , mental illness etc

It really is not just the druggies

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I don't know if this is a reflection of the tory government we've lived under for so long.

Do you understand what a 'full time carer' means?

My dad years ago, passed, after suffering with dementia, and I understand.

I truly hope that you don't ever have to decide what do with the hours you have 'spare from caring'.

He just hasn't been in that position and doesn't understand , I forgive him

As you know during the latter stages of dementia type illnesses the strain is absolutely immense

Whilst looking after any family member with needs is incredibly hard and it's certainly not a competition the desperate state people with dementia get into is a horror show

When my parents were ill we couldn't get them into a home as they had capacity to say no ......when they totally lost everything there were no places for them .....even millionaires couldn't buy a room in care homes

I was so knackered from sometimes being up 24 hours dealing with falls , numerous trips to the toilet , other visits to the toilet that ended on the carpet , shopping , cooking , repeat , repeat ......that when the council provided us with carers three mornings a week I would rest in bed

If I had the energy to go fishing or follow city around the country I would have done so !

[dembethewarrior]

I don't know if this is a reflection of the tory government we've lived under for so long.

Do you understand what a 'full time carer' means?

My dad years ago, passed, after suffering with dementia, and I understand.

I truly hope that you don't ever have to decide what do with the hours you have 'spare from caring'.

You're speaking to someone who cares for a family member, works full time, and looks after his own kid

[dembethewarrior]

Why does sludge get away with these threads when plenty of others getnpuled on for being bullies and ruining the board etc?

I've been away for a while for my own reasons, but nothing has changed.

Look at the start of the thread. You can see who changed the tone, yet nothing gets done about him.

Someone will be along soon to say how awful it is that sludge gets picked on.

No wonder the board is how it is, when you've got him with free reign to act how he wants and abuse people freely. It's ok tho cos he's been here 25 years posting shit.