Just stop oil

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Here's a question for the conspiracy theorists - why? Why would the governments, media, scientists etc want to con everyone into believing that man-made climate change is destroying the planet? It's inconvenient for governments. The oil, car, airline, construction etc lobbies exert massive influence on governments all over the world and are generally backed by the likes of Murdoch who control huge swathes of the world's press.
So who is "they" and why would they be lying to us about climate change/silencing the few question it?

[North Cardiff Blue]

They were definitely not declared 100% safe. However, people who were under very little danger of any serious effects of Covid were persuaded - aggressively - to accept it to prevent passing it onto the the more vulnerable. Except that Pfizer has admitted their vaccine was never tested on whether it prevented transmission. I had 2 vaccines and a booster. I wouldn't have had any of them if I'd known this as I don't believe it posed much of a danger to me a healthy person with none of the vulnerable conditions. I won't have any more whatever I'm told because I don't like being lied to.

I think you are looking at it now with hindsight, at the time most people were worried. I was in good health on no meds no issues, so not worried in the slightest. I did have an elderly mother though, so on the advice that I was slightly less likely to get it and pass it on to her I had two and the booster too. The other reason I had it was to allow everything to reopen quicker and damage the economy slightly less.

Overall they are as safe as getting covid, so it was no harm in having the injections for me, and the saved the lives of lots of elderly and ill weak people.

[lardy]

Here's a question for the conspiracy theorists - why? Why would the governments, media, scientists etc want to con everyone into believing that man-made climate change is destroying the planet? It's inconvenient for governments. The oil, car, airline, construction etc lobbies exert massive influence on governments all over the world and are generally backed by the likes of Murdoch who control huge swathes of the world's press.
So who is "they" and why would they be lying to us about climate change/silencing the few question it?

This is exactly the question. Oil companies have been the richest in the world for decades, only recently overtaken by technology but still immensely rich and powerful as the world runs on oil. Western governments are always sucking up to OPEC countries because of this reliance.

The idea that some group could buy out basically every publishing scientist in the world without any pushback any response from oil companies or governments is beyond insane. Simply no one is rich enough to do this.

[Wales-Bales]

Here's a question for the conspiracy theorists - why? Why would the governments, media, scientists etc want to con everyone into believing that man-made climate change is destroying the planet? It's inconvenient for governments. The oil, car, airline, construction etc lobbies exert massive influence on governments all over the world and are generally backed by the likes of Murdoch who control huge swathes of the world's press.
So who is "they" and why would they be lying to us about climate change/silencing the few question it?

A new economic system that doesn't rely on people and growth? In which case, what happens to all the people?

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

A new economic system that doesn't rely on people and growth? In which case, what happens to all the people?

But who do you think wants that? And again, why? The richest and most powerful in the world are doing very nicely already from growth based on people.

[Dorcus]

But who do you think wants that? And again, why? The richest and most powerful in the world are doing very nicely already from growth based on people.

Also growth is not infinite. Continuously busting a gut for "growth" will bust the planet. The planet is finite unlike human imagination.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

I think you are looking at it now with hindsight, at the time most people were worried. I was in good health on no meds no issues, so not worried in the slightest. I did have an elderly mother though, so on the advice that I was slightly less likely to get it and pass it on to her I had two and the booster too. The other reason I had it was to allow everything to reopen quicker and damage the economy slightly less.

Overall they are as safe as getting covid, so it was no harm in having the injections for me, and the saved the lives of lots of elderly and ill weak people.

The advice that you were less likely to get it was correct and based on testing, albeit not as rigorous us usual.

The advice that you were less likely to pass it on to your mother was not based on testing or any other scientific evidence. But we were told it would help stop the spread nevertheless. That's what I object to.

[life on mars]

No it isn't. And those protests were for the right to vote and for the right not to be discriminated against because you were born black. Totally different scenarios

Glad you said it , climate change is built on theory as the planet could do something completely different in 20 year time ,the right to vote and discrimination were acts of reality at the time .

What we need is a debate o how we do get the net zero id scarp the bloody date is stupid and just build a world based on renewables that did that hurt the poor it seems to be a rich person play thing agenda and probably backed by far left loops who don't really car e as they can afford the electric cars , solar panels , and it sounds wonderful in the local wine bar as they glug their over price prosecco and real ale ..and say well said Jeremy .. that a nice jacket did you get if from a charity shop in Kensington

[lardy]

Glad you said it , climate change is built on theory as the planet could do something completely different in 20 year time ,the right to vote and discrimination were acts of reality at the time .

What we need is a debate o how we do get the net zero id scarp the bloody date is stupid and just build a world based on renewables that did that hurt the poor it seems to be a rich person play thing agenda and probably backed by far left loops who don't really car e as they can afford the electric cars , solar panels , and it sounds wonderful in the local wine bar as they glug their over price prosecco and real ale ..and say well said Jeremy .. that a nice jacket did you get if from a charity shop in Kensington

Climate change is indeed a scientific theory, but scientific theory has a specific meaning, and it's perhaps not what you think it is.

[Doucas]

No it isn't. And those protests were for the right to vote and for the right not to be discriminated against because you were born black. Totally different scenarios

Who are we kidding Jimbo, if you were alive back then you'd have taken the enlightened centrist approach as you always do and would be saying 'I'm for the right for women to vote but I'm against the ruckus they're making'.

[jeepster]

Glad you said it , climate change is built on theory as the planet could do something completely different in 20 year time ,the right to vote and discrimination were acts of reality at the time .

What we need is a debate o how we do get the net zero id scarp the bloody date is stupid and just build a world based on renewables that did that hurt the poor it seems to be a rich person play thing agenda and probably backed by far left loops who don't really car e as they can afford the electric cars , solar panels , and it sounds wonderful in the local wine bar as they glug their over price prosecco and real ale ..and say well said Jeremy .. that a nice jacket did you get if from a charity shop in Kensington

Why do you always say the left are loopy?
Better than the rabid right.

[Dorcus]

Why do you always say the left are loopy?
Better than the rabid right.

A lot more intelligent and human that's for sure!

[cityhammer]

Hate to disagree with you Sludge, but this was a party political broadcast on someone who has hit the nail fairly and squarely on the head.

100%

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

100%

I think it's bollocks better off in the Daily Mail

[JamesWales]

Who are we kidding Jimbo, if you were alive back then you'd have taken the enlightened centrist approach as you always do and would be saying 'I'm for the right for women to vote but I'm against the ruckus they're making'.

I absolutely would have been on the side of women not having to throw themselves under horses to get the vote Ducky.

Remember, it's not me who is ever keen to overule election or referendum results when it doesn't suit me👍

I do take your wider point, I just think they have means to protest and they should do it properly. Thats what we do in democracies. I also happen to have some sympathy for their cause (if not their means) and instead of having any sympathy I just think they are bunch of arrogant, selfish spoilt posh kids. And their behaviour encourages millions to think the same

[cityhammer]

If it wasn't based on science at all, what do you think it was based on?

Without the vaccine, life would have continued like late 2020, which I recall as being pretty unpleasant.

Didnt Born Guessing recently admit in questioning into the covid pandemic that he NEVER read the scientific reports? So guess the vaccination programme in Wales was not based on science.

[Dave Blue]

Meanwhile, referring to the actual title of this thread, The Times states that the PM will go soft on green policies to ‘woo voters’ right next to a photo of burning Greece - and without any trace of irony.

[Dorcus]

Meanwhile, referring to the actual title of this thread, The Times states that the PM will go soft on green policies to ‘woo voters’ right next to a photo of burning Greece - and without any trace of irony.

Bang goes his blue wall.

[the other bob wilson]

Meanwhile, referring to the actual title of this thread, The Times states that the PM will go soft on green policies to ‘woo voters’ right next to a photo of burning Greece - and without any trace of irony.

Looks like Sunak is going down the 30p Lee route - fight the next election on culture wars because there's nothing else they can fight it on.

[WJ99mobile]

They’re entitled to their opinion and their protests.

Personally I don’t care about net zero because UK living standards are being lowered for it whilst other countries are not taking as much as a hit as us.

[North Cardiff Blue]

They’re entitled to their opinion and their protests.

Personally I don’t care about net zero because UK living standards are being lowered for it whilst other countries are not taking as much as a hit as us.

Nail on the head.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Bang goes his blue wall.

Labour will win the next election and Starmer won't be able to rush net zero either, the country is in a mess if he wants more than one term in office he will have the same approach, the dates will be pushed back.

How many voters want to give up, their cars, and flights, holidays and take a massive further reduction in lifestyle?

[Dorcus]

Labour will win the next election and Starmer won't be able to rush net zero either, the country is in a mess if he wants more than one term in office he will have the same approach, the dates will be pushed back.

How many voters want to give up, their cars, and flights, holidays and take a massive further reduction in lifestyle?

I'll get my spreadsheet out, do the calculations, and get back to you

[OurManFlint II]

Read a few posts, 90% blocked so hard to see whats said but not impossible to imagine (when does the season start?).

Anyway, for those on the right side and understand what Stop Oil is about.

Good Law Project is supporting Coal Action Network and the local residents they work with living in Merthyr Tydfil, South Wales, to end the illegal extraction of coal at the Ffos-y-Fran open-cast coal mine

https://goodlawproject.org/petition/...t-ffos-y-fran/

[TWGL1]

If your father had passed it on to one of your children (partially through not being fully vaccinated) and that child suffered consequences (not that I wish that on a little Jimbolina) that would have been ok with you then? I think we both know it would not.

Children are not at risk from Covid, the data shows that, hence why the vaccine programme for people under 50 has been withdrawn.