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At 4:14 he says the terrorist attack in Israel was "tragic but necessary". That's absolutely awful and quite shocking.Originally Posted by Heathblue
It is/was but i was thinking more of the Israel leader has to go, and with a replacement dedicated to recognising the right of the Palestinians and having to settle peace with them. That piece was a poor miss by myself and offer no excuse.
Not at all, it's easy to miss things but I think that does undermine what he may have gone onto say.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with a few things I've seen/read online in the last week or so.
The videos of people ripping down posters of missing kids was absolutely sickening
Scott Ritter said that , not evil eyes
Important in these situations to share what rare nuggets of good news there are I think.
Aid trucks are finally going into the Gaza strip.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...-east-67165505
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/...zl-PStm_g&s=19
question marks over the "audio of Hamas" after the hospital attack
The UNHCR said 2000 trucks needed to avert catastrophe - not 20. Something is better than nothing - but this is mainly about headlines not help. But all is OK because the IDF spokesman said the humanitarian situation is 'under control' because Israel had told the population to flee south. That was said as more rockets and bombs hit churches, mosques, schools and hospitals - in the south!
No surprise that Germany has banned all demonstrations in support of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank - but given the green light to demonstrations in support of Israel.
Germany and Austria are European outliers with this - but the deeply entrenched Holocaust guilt has ensured that Israel is given a completely free pass, and that any criticism of the Israeli state or state ideology is denounced as anti semitism and silenced (not just public protests but artworks, books and academic presentations).
The German Social Democrats and Greens are fully signed up to this - it's not just the parties of the right and centre right. They are happy to defend selected war crimes and systematic oppression. I was in Vienna the last time Israel decided to drop white phosphorus on children in Gaza, and the Austrian government thought that was the right time to fly Israeli flags from official buildings as a sign of support!
It is of course outrageous that Germany (and I think France, or maybe they've just severely restricted them?) has banned these.
I do understand Germany's sensitivities, and it is the case that antisemitic or pro- Hamas groups will align themselves with protests where the vast majority are just calling for peace or respect for Palestine etc, but still. What you do is allow protests to happen and to police them properly.
It's an odd tactic and surely anything can just take place under a 'peace march' banner can't it?
apparently 91 people have been killed in the west bank by Israel.
how does this stack up with the justification for the actions in Gaza?
Nothing is so sweet as revenge. It's a thirst that cannot be quenched easily.
Most by the IDF - but a large number by armed settlers out for murder and destruction in West Bank villages and bedouin settlements. This has been going on for years, but more recently the IDF have moved to support these attacks instead of standing passively on the sidelines not intervening.
Since the recent Hamas atrocities the far right government has been issuing press releases to boast about handing out tens of thousands of weapons to illegal settlers - who unsurprisingly have been using them against the people they want to ethnically cleanse.
Not a peep out of our government, or the EU or US government. Van der Leyen and Sunak have recently remembered there is a thing called international law, and are now making token reference to it (like Biden) - but without ever calling out the hourly breaches of that law (aka war crimes).
https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/136685
https://www.newarab.com/news/armed-i...ians-west-bank
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...raeli-settlers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...bank-territory
But the UK government is apoplectic about one lone Palestinian supporter shouting "jihad".
Ridiculous thing to say on every level, esp after Jon's response.
Why the fk would we want people on our streets shouting about Jihad?
It's not ridiculous in the least. The Israeli response is a "jihad" in whatever word it means in Hebrew. Why should the Palestinian people be restrained and not the Jews? Show even a modicum of balance man!
What evidence is there that the ordinary Palestinian "man in the street" supports Hamas? Any opinion polls for instance? (Presumably not likely in such a place).
Even more reason for the Western world to stop Israel murdering innocent people.
Mask is slipping a bit here, Dorcus.
It's not about sides. It's about not wanting murderous terrorists on the streets of Britain.
It is interesting that we never seem to see blokes in Hamas headgear helping to recover people trapped under collapsed buildings do we? I can just imagine the frightening scenario whereby some Hamas fanatic decides to set up a rocket launcher on the roof of your home. If you protest I assume he would happily kill you for not being a Jihadist. Israeli intelligence detects where the rocket is fired from and responds by blowing your home to smithereens along with you and your family. What a world.
With our government and the US it's absolutely about sides. No one wants terrorism anywhere but in my opinion the Met police handled this issue correctly and no one needs a partisan government undermining matters.
Its not about partisan government it's about clamping down on calls for violence.
Imagine how Jewish people would feel with people getting away with that, let alone anyone else who wants to live in a civilised society.
Yeah, sure, you don't need to go in all guns blazing but I don't think people should get away with calling for jihad on our streets. Fk that.
Why on Earth would we hear about Hamas helping people trapped under buildings? The news is controlled by Israel and the West.
There is absolutely no way I would advocate nor back a jihad, it's utterly wrong but the point is one can understand one lone figure uttering the word out of revenge for the slaughter of his innocent people. Just like the pretext for the Israeli bombardment of Gaza by the way. If there were Jewish voices in the streets calling for a revenge attack on Gaza I didn't hear our Government trying to incriminate them.
The point is that the Western nations should be even handed in this conflict and their failure to restrain Israeli carnage means they have blood on their hands.
Absolutely wrong, it is partizan.
The police handled it correctly; it was one lone man calling for revenge.
The more this government butts in the more they will cause much greater resistance from the Palestinian sympathisers. The more the Western powers take sides in this conflict the longer it will persist and the greater the loss of life on both sides.
It's not acceptable though. If it's acceptable for someone to talk about Jihad for revenge for "his people" (and we have no idea where those people are from..they are presumably Muslims, but they could be from anywhere) then what else is okay?
If you are cool with that then presumably you are cool with the people of Hartlepool demanding to kill asylum seekers after someone was murdered up there last week? Is that okay? Is that an understandable response?
It's indefensible really and it also undermines the perfectly legitimate and peaceful views of the overwhelming majority of people at pro Palestine marches on the weekend.
imagine if Britain had reacted to IRA terrorism in the same way as Israel have reacted to terrorism. there's no way we would have peace there now. I dread to think what would have happened
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