you can't polish a turd!

[Taffy Blue in Berkshire]

for everyone's sake a fresh start now.

[life on mars]

How do we do that with so many contracts.

Relegation sometimes is the answer ask Ipswich .

[Blooburd]

perhaps he is just referring to the bullet shaped turd

[19bluebirds27]

No you cannot polish a turd - but you can roll it in glitter.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

No you cannot polish a turd - but you can roll it in glitter.

There's an idea for my son's school Christmas decoration stall.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Hes been here less than a year

How long are we looking to give managers these days ?

[2b2bdoo]

Hes been here less than a year

How long are we looking to give managers these days ?

What’s the average championship manager this season? I think only Ipswich and Coventry had managers over 2 years. It’s about getting the right manager, stability in the championship is nonsense. You can stay there isn’t huge red flags over Bulut.

You look at someone like Boro, ok they haven’t gone up but they have an idea, a plan. I can’t tell you what our plan is other than set plays.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Hes been here less than a year

How long are we looking to give managers these days ?

We are the same team we were on day 1 than day 330 or whatever. You can like it or lump it but Bulut isn't going to change. This is what we're going to get.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

We are the same team we were on day 1 than day 330 or whatever. You can like it or lump it but Bulut isn't going to change. This is what we're going to get.

We are about 8 places , at least , better than we were last season

We are certainly not the same team

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

What’s the average championship manager this season? I think only Ipswich and Coventry had managers over 2 years. It’s about getting the right manager, stability in the championship is nonsense. You can stay there isn’t huge red flags over Bulut.

You look at someone like Boro, ok they haven’t gone up but they have an idea, a plan. I can’t tell you what our plan is other than set plays.

Birmingham City have chopped 2 managers this season

They got relegated

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Birmingham City have chopped 2 managers this season

They got relegated

Sheffield Wednesday were in the bottom 3, got a new manager in and survived.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Sheffield Wednesday were in the bottom 3, got a new manager in and survived.

So what's the difference between the side we had last season which would have gone down if it wasn't for Reading being completely fecked by points ......

And this team which finished mid table

Even though half the time they looked half asleep

Either Bulut has done an OK job ......and 12th is OK

Or I am a jack bastard

Yet you and a few others want him gone

It's fecking idiotic

[goats]

We are about 8 places , at least , better than we were last season

We are certainly not the same team

Very fortunately I’d say, look at our goal difference…..that’s kind of where we should be

[Eric the Half a Bee]

So what's the difference between the side we had last season which would have gone down if it wasn't for Reading being completely fecked by points ......

That's how it looked, yet we were safe before the last game of the season. It's also worth pointing out that, if we'd beaten Rotherham the day the rains came, we'd have survived sooner than we did. Yes, the end of season table showed Reading went down because of their points deduction but the reality of the situation was very different.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Very fortunately I’d say, look at our goal difference…..that’s kind of where we should be

In virtually every statistical sense our season was rubbish apart from being able to find wins out of nothing. In most regards we were a bottom half side last season, particularly from November onwards. I can't decide whether I'd want Bulut in or not, my mind changes on this, but I don't think he's the messiah that some fans are portraying.

[xsnaggle]

That's how it looked, yet we were safe before the last game of the season. It's also worth pointing out that, if we'd beaten Rotherham the day the rains came, we'd have survived sooner than we did. Yes, the end of season table showed Reading went down because of their points deduction but the reality of the situation was very different.

Reading either went down because of the points deduction or they didn't. If they hadn't had the points deducted where would they have finished Eric? And therefore where would City have finished? Simple question really.

[Moodybluebird]

Reading either went down because of the points deduction or they didn't. If they hadn't had the points deducted where would they have finished Eric? And therefore where would City have finished? Simple question really.

I know exactly what Eric means. We were safe after the Stoke home game and there were still 2 games to go. We've seen today what can happen when there is nothing to play for.

Last season in our penultimate game we came up against a Huddersfield team fighting for survival and their attitude that day was spot on. So the final table indicates that barring Reading's points deduction we would have been relegated but there's far more to it than that.

[splott parker]

I know exactly what Eric means. We were safe after the Stoke home game and there were still 2 games to go. We've seen today what can happen when there is nothing to play for.

Last season in our penultimate game we came up against a Huddersfield team fighting for survival and their attitude that day was spot on. So the final table indicates that barring Reading's points deduction we would have been relegated but there's far more to it than that.

Exactly…Leicester 0 Blackburn 2 is a prime example of the foot coming off the pedal when things are done and dusted.

[The Lone Gunman]

Exactly…Leicester 0 Blackburn 2 is a prime example of the foot coming off the pedal when things are done and dusted.

As was Man Utd 0 Cardiff City 2, but we’re not allowed to suggest that according to some.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Reading either went down because of the points deduction or they didn't. If they hadn't had the points deducted where would they have finished Eric? And therefore where would City have finished? Simple question really.

When did we avoid relegation? The last game of the season, or before then?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

As was Man Utd 0 Cardiff City 2, but we’re not allowed to suggest that according to some.

I was going to mention that but decided to leave that can of worms alone. As we know, many idiots blame the offside goal against Chelsea for our relegation.

[Taffy Blue in Berkshire]

bump

[jon1959]

bump

Why?

Aren’t there enough threads on this already?

[Taffy Blue in Berkshire]

Why?

Aren’t there enough threads on this already?

yes and I'm dumbfounded. just when you think it can't get any worse it does. football in general has lost its appeal and I can't really get excited by the Premier League, Champions League or whatever.

Having enjoyed City at NP in the 70's as a teenager the current fiasco is sickening.

Just like the fine old buildings in the City got flattened and replaced with ugly meaningless structures the same has happened to our club. The only legacy are the fans who frankly are treated like the proverbial.

Very sad to see us at the bottom and no grounds for optimism.