Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
So they were hurt by a driver doing more than 20mph ? Where do you get these facts from . I am genuinely interested.
I think caerkid answered your question for me but I got the facts from EHBs original post. I have no idea about the specific speeds.

Deaths on roads 30mph and lower: 8 in 2022 and 7 in 2023, so 1 fewer in 2023. As many deaths on 20mph roads as there were in 2022 on 30mph roads.

Serious injuries: down from 120 in 2022 to 105 in 2023.

I assume that his comment about deaths being the same was that 7 deaths is statistically the same as 8. The 15 fewer serious injuries is a bigger change but I guess if you were or were related to the on extra death that 1 extra might be very significant.

I have worked in the car industry where these calculations go on regularly. Car companies know that if they made cars out of rubber and stopped them driving at more than 5mph there would be near zero deaths. But that would be ridiculous so a calculation has to be made effectively deciding how many deaths is ‘tolerable’. Governments have to make the same decisions.

Regarding the ‘outside schools fair enough’ argument, my mates mother was knocked down on cowbridge road and lost a leg. The driver was not speeding. It was 30mph at the time. If the speed limit was 20 the driver would have stood a better chance of not hitting her and if he did, she would’ve stood a better chance of having less serious injuries. But as I said I hope driving slower doesn’t upset you too much.