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Thread: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

  1. #226

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    You have to laugh at these champagne red rosette mobsters, 4 years of Russian interference claims but are now sending a brigade to Merica to campaign in the elections for knee pads, I'm wondering if the same characters who denied the cheating in the last US election will be crying cheat shortly, vote for no one Goats, they are all Wefers no matter what colour badge, its a rigged game and the people have little say, but the tide is turning slowly.
    I rarely do vote heath, usually it’s a protest one anyway to try and current incumbent….reckon I’ve put every different party’s name in the box over the years… a bunch of crooks as my old man used to call them

  2. #227

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Ironically, that would be a lot better for the economy than people hoarding wealth until their mid 90s and then passing it on to their 65 year old kids, rinse and repeat.

    The only issue I have with changing iht is yet again we are having a conversation about 'raising taxes on the richest' and excluding the actual rich people, whose affairs are organised in a way to avoid paying iht. Similar to any conversations about income tax, NI etc.
    I agree about the money flow, but the very wealthy will just put it into trusts and pay nothing, really just punishing the middle men again, as they always do….

  3. #228

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It's not about intelligence though I don't think. The UK is structured in a way where a certain 'class' of people never lose, no matter what the government does. It's a massive job to break that down. The low hanging fruit is the large number of people in the middle who aren't obsessed with money enough to focus their energy or resources towards avoiding tax.
    I think you will find that group are getting more conscious of it during these slightly difficult times, no cheap mortgages, bills through the roof, cars seem to have doubled in price, as is insurance now….pubs, football, nights out…..crazy what it costs these days.

  4. #229

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Aren’t there already strict limits on how much money someone can ‘gift’ to avoid IHT? Something like 3k (or is it now 1.5k pa)?

    I have no idea if or how that is policed - and as Eric says, the very rich play outside the rules- but the rules are there.
    It’s 3k….also, it’s at 325,000 but it gets passed on from one parent to the other so becomes 700,000, it might have gone up a bit more I’m not sure. I guess most houses in the London area are over this anyway

  5. #230

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Hey sludge , genuine question would you be this vocal with your inflammatory rhetoric face to face with a past Tory voter such as myself, if so perhaps rather than hiding behind a keyboard put your money where your mouth is , go on I dare you. If you can’t stop being a childish online troll.
    FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it

  6. #231

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it
    I've been on so many dates with all the hot posters on here recently, that I can't keep up.

  7. #232

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I've been on so many dates with all the hot posters on here recently, that I can't keep up.
    and you've never even asked me

  8. #233

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    and you've never even asked me
    I didn't want to cause friction between you and Dorcus. Best to leave it a few weeks out of respect

  9. #234

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Going after inheritance tax now I see, another deeply unpopular one so should cement the new Tories demise even further, nothing like a bit of cash stress post death/funeral.
    No point in working or saving anymore, no point buying a house, they will take it all.spend every last penny in the George Best style I guess..
    A lot of the people moaning about getting hit for inheritance tax are talking rubbish

    If someone bought a house for 15 grand in the mid seventies and it's now worth 350 grand then it's the greed of the market that's done all the work to increase its value

    What " hard work , pay my taxes , etc etc " is involved her ?

    It's not a tax on how hard someone's worked ....a road sweeper works as hard as a bank manager ....its a tax mostly on a property and the value is nothing to do with paying tax or working hard

  10. #235

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it
    What the christ is going on

  11. #236

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    I rarely do vote heath, usually it’s a protest one anyway to try and current incumbent….reckon I’ve put every different party’s name in the box over the years… a bunch of crooks as my old man used to call them
    So If they are all crooks then you didnt vote ?

    I would never not vote

    If you don't vote then you can go and sit in the shed and complain all day to yourself

    I would vote green if I was stuck

  12. #237

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Hey sludge , genuine question would you be this vocal with your inflammatory rhetoric face to face with a past Tory voter such as myself, if so perhaps rather than hiding behind a keyboard put your money where your mouth is , go on I dare you. If you cant stop being a childish online troll.
    Who are you talking to now ?

    JW , tory , scum

    Or me , not tory

    I think you are suffering

  13. #238

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it
    Quite

  14. #239

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Quite
    So send JW a love letter then

    If he rejects your advances pop one in the post for me

    Bristol are Red
    Cardiff Are Blue
    I have got a hammer
    So get in the van

  15. #240

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Who are you talking to now ?

    JW , tory , scum

    Or me , not tory

    I think you are suffering
    Tory scum off our streets, Tory scum off our streets!

  16. #241

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Tory scum off our streets, Tory scum off our streets!
    I'm beginning to love you! 😻

  17. #242

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I'm beginning to love you! 😻
    Hate to disappoint I was merely parodying your bigotry! ☺️

  18. #243

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Hate to disappoint I was merely parodying your bigotry! ☺️
    Oh what a shame, I thought you had seen the light. I'm not a bigot but I understand this is another concept you've randomly picked up chattering away in the dole queue and obviously do not fully comprehend it. Next thing you'll be telling us it's bigotry to dislike thieves, murders and terrorists 🫢

  19. #244

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Oh what a shame, I thought you had seen the light. I'm not a bigot but I understand this is another concept you've randomly picked up chattering away in the dole queue and obviously do not fully comprehend it. Next thing you'll be telling us it's bigotry to dislike thieves, murders and terrorists 🫢
    Sure!

    "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."

  20. #245

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Sure!

    "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
    You've just hit the nail on the head "unreasonable ". Is it unreasonable to dislike thieves, pederasts, murderers, rapists, fraudsters, thugs.... I could go on! They are all members of delineated groups and often exude evil! Is it bigotry to challenge them?

  21. #246

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    You've just hit the nail on the head "unreasonable ". Is it unreasonable to dislike thieves, pederasts, murderers, rapists, fraudsters, thugs.... I could go on! They are all members of delineated groups and often exude evil! Is it bigotry to challenge them?
    Umm, it is bigotry to irrationally hate all people in any political or religious group and delude yourself that they all share those characteristics, yeah.

  22. #247

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Umm, it is bigotry to irrationally hate all people in any political or religious group and delude yourself that they all share those characteristics, yeah.
    "Irrationally"! One of your favourite devices for skimming over the truth. You'll have to go an awful long way to explain the philosophical meaning of what's irrational.

    No, silly response! I am not deluding myself by claiming that thieves, murderers rapists, pederasts, Nazis, fraudsters, child sacrificers, thugs etc etc all share common characteristics within their defined groups. Surely, even you can see that?

    Next you'll be telling us to hug a hoodie and romance a rapist!

  23. #248

    Re: Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    "Irrationally"! One of your favourite devices for skimming over the truth. You'll have to go an awful long way to explain the philosophical meaning of what's irrational.

    No, silly response! I am not deluding myself by claiming that thieves, murderers rapists, pederasts, Nazis, fraudsters, child sacrificers, thugs etc etc all share common characteristics within their defined groups. Surely, even you can see that?

    Next you'll be telling us to hug a hoodie and romance a rapist!
    Do you not hate people who may vote for a particular political party then? If so then this is great news!

  24. #249

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Do you not hate people who may vote for a particular political party then? If so then this is great news!
    I hate the political movement itself and weep for those who have been suckered into it. Just like I hate Naziism but not those who followed it who did not possess the wherewithal to see it's inherent evil. Just like I hate the high priests who initiated child sacrifice for personal gain but not the ingenues who did not know any better. Just like the organized gangs who recruit desperate people to carry out crimes on their behalf.

    We should never be afraid to call out evil even in the face of bad actors who will decry it as bigotry.

  25. #250

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I hate the political movement itself and weep for those who have been suckered into it. Just like I hate Naziism but not those who followed it who did not possess the wherewithal to see it's inherent evil. Just like I hate the high priests who initiated child sacrifice for personal gain but not the ingenues who did not know any better. Just like the organized gangs who recruit desperate people to carry out crimes on their behalf.

    We should never be afraid to call out evil even in the face of bad actors who will decry it as bigotry.
    So you hate the Conservative Party for example, but not everyone who votes for it? A little like someone may hate Islam but not every individual Muslim?

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