Amsterdam Violence

[Dorcus]

Yes no one on this thread was there

Bit I reminder. Its me quoting the people who run the city and the police force in that city. It's you that putting all your eggs in a basket weaved by Sludge and Owen Jones.

I know that you think that objecting to people being beaten up for their religion makes someone a Zionist but it really doesn't. You need to get off those dodgy websites more!

I've never been on a dodgy website in my life. The only dodgy content I read is your nonsensical bile.

You made a good suggestion earlier to offer no more comment given your insouciance to innocent Arab deaths. You showed a spark of wisdom then but, as usual, your far right psyche reverts to type.

You've indelibly marked yourself as someone indifferent to wanton Arab slaughter: fair enough your extreme beliefs wouldnt permit anything else, but the least you could do is stop bellyaching about a bit of footie agro. At least try to wake up and get a sense of proportion.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I mean there is a chance that all this is bollocks and that you are right, but I'm pretty content going with the authorities in Amsterdam to be honest. Why do you think they are lying? Or are they just not as "in the know" as you Sludge? Is that it? You know more than the Dutch police and mayor or Amsterdam is it?

None of this changes the situation in Palestine? None of it excuses some criminal behaviour from Maccabi Tel Aviv fans. But you seem to be going out of your way to justify it or say it didn't really happen.

"Authorities say Thursday's attacks - which caused five people to be hospitalised - were motivated by antisemitism as the fans were sought out across the city."

"We must not turn blind eye to antisemitism, says Dutch king after attacks on Israeli football fans"

"I am deeply ashamed of the behaviour that unfolded," Halsema told reporters. "On Telegram [messaging] groups people talked of going to hunt down Jews. It's so terrible I can't find the words for it."

"The national co-ordinator for combating antisemitism in the Netherlands said a line had been crossed and the "readiness to commit such violence was disgusting".

Prime Minister Dick Schoof said earlier on Monday that "antisemitic attacks against Israelis and Jews" were "nothing short of shocking and reprehensible".

"Halsema and the heads of the Dutch police and prosecution said at a press conference on Friday that violence by “rioters and criminals” aimed at some of the 2,600 “Jewish Israeli visitors” had left five people in hospital and 20 to 30 with minor injuries. There were reports of fireworks set off, people being thrown into canals and some Maccabi supporters being asked for identity documents in order to be allowed back to their hotels."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-football-fans

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78dzr432x7o

Police share images of those wanted in "jew hunt"
https://www.telegraaf.nl/video/13794...ten-jodenjacht

All of these posts of yours are dead ducks

They are completely ignoring.....as are you , the beating that the Tel aviv fans took after they abused and attacked local people of Arabic descent

Sent home with their tails between their legs

The anti Semitic cobblers is a smoke screen

As is usual on here on almost all the semi political threads it's you and you alone who is the sole defender of all this nonsense and its a hybrid mix of your right wing views and your pathetic ego not allowing you to be wrong

I suppose you giving way to admitting SOME tel aviv fans were ......a little bit naughty .....is about as good as its going to get

[JamesWales]

I've never been on a dodgy website in my life. The only dodgy content I read is your nonsensical bile.

You made a good suggestion earlier to offer no more comment given your insouciance to innocent Arab deaths. You showed a spark of wisdom then but, as usual, your far right psyche reverts to type.

You've indelibly marked yourself as someone indifferent to wanton Arab slaughter: fair enough your extreme beliefs wouldnt permit anything else, but the least you could do is stop bellyaching about a bit of footie agro. At least try to wake up and get a sense of proportion.

No I said I wouldnt comment on your ignorant post.

Second time I've explained that now! 👍

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Yes, no one on this thread was there .

But, a reminder.. Its me quoting the people who run the city and the police force in that city. It's you that putting all your eggs in a basket weaved by Sludge and Owen Jones.

I know that you think that objecting to people being beaten up for their religion makes someone a Zionist but it really doesn't. You need to get off those dodgy websites more!

What an arse you are

Owen Jones is an annoying far lefty but he has given a platform to a journalist whose video evidence was doctored to present arabs in a bad light .....and pretend Jewish fans were attacked .....

Never mind me or Owen Jones ......that woman is first class observation

And you still won't admit it's the most telling evidence

You are bleating again with this crap about poor people being beaten up for their religion ......well take a look at the evidence .....its Arabs being beaten up by Jews you idiot

And the second video by the NM journalists ?

They have both danced all over your face and shown the pathetic pro Israeli outpourings up for what they are

[Dorcus]

No I said I wouldnt comment on your ignorant post.

Second time I've explained that now! 👍

But there's nothing ignorant about my post and you continue to comment because you have a warped sense of ethics. My goodness you're more concerned about a few football ultras getting a slap than sweet children having their heads blown off! How do you sleep at night?

[Dorcus]

What an arse you are

Owen Jones is an annoying far lefty but he has given a platform to a journalist whose video evidence was doctored to present arabs in a bad light .....and pretend Jewish fans were attacked .....

Never mind me or Owen Jones ......that woman is first class observation

And you still won't admit it's the most telling evidence

You are bleating again with this crap about poor people being beaten up for their religion ......well take a look at the evidence .....its Arabs being beaten up by Jews you idiot

And the second video by the NM journalists ?

They have both danced all over your face and shown the pathetic pro Israeli outpourings up for what they are

Excuse me Owen Jones isn't a far lefty, he's someone who speaks eminent sense.

[JamesWales]

All of these posts of yours are dead ducks

They are completely ignoring.....as are you , the beating that the Tel aviv fans took after they abused and attacked local people of Arabic descent

Sent home with their tails between their legs

The anti Semitic cobblers is a smoke screen

As is usual on here on almost all the semi political threads it's you and you alone who is the sole defender of all this nonsense and its a hybrid mix of your right wing views and your pathetic ego not allowing you to be wrong

I suppose you giving way to admitting SOME tel aviv fans were ......a little bit naughty .....is about as good as its going to get

Oh here he is. The man who never leaves the UK piping up to confirm that the people who run the city and the police are talking cobblers!

Honestly, you would make an amazing Little Britain character. Like those people in school who said their Dad's knew things that even the govt doesn't know!

Also all of those quotes DO take into account the fact some Maccabi Tel Aviv fans vandalised a taxi, tore down a flag etc. So you are just flat wrong on that too.

But that doesn't justify the random attack of anyone of that nationality or religion.

Your position on this is the exact opposite of the riots in the UK earlier this year.

You are honestly on here saying you know more than the police and mayor of Amsterdam. It's actually beyond preposterous.

[JamesWales]

What an arse you are

Owen Jones is an annoying far lefty but he has given a platform to a journalist whose video evidence was doctored to present arabs in a bad light .....and pretend Jewish fans were attacked .....

Never mind me or Owen Jones ......that woman is first class observation

And you still won't admit it's the most telling evidence

You are bleating again with this crap about poor people being beaten up for their religion ......well take a look at the evidence .....its Arabs being beaten up by Jews you idiot

And the second video by the NM journalists ?

They have both danced all over your face and shown the pathetic pro Israeli outpourings up for what they are

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!

You need help Sludge, you honestly do.

You, Dorcus and Owen Jones know the truth. The police, mayor and Prime minister clearly don't.

If it helps you sleep tonight to think that, then I am happy to say it!

[Dorcus]

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!

You need help Sludge, you honestly do.

You, Dorcus and Owen Jones know the truth. The police, mayor and Prime minister clearly don't.

If it helps you sleep tonight to think that, then I am happy to say it!

At last, you see the truth! Rejoice and seek forgiveness

[Dorcus]

What an arse you are

Owen Jones is an annoying far lefty but he has given a platform to a journalist whose video evidence was doctored to present arabs in a bad light .....and pretend Jewish fans were attacked .....

Never mind me or Owen Jones ......that woman is first class observation

And you still won't admit it's the most telling evidence

You are bleating again with this crap about poor people being beaten up for their religion ......well take a look at the evidence .....its Arabs being beaten up by Jews you idiot

And the second video by the NM journalists ?

They have both danced all over your face and shown the pathetic pro Israeli outpourings up for what they are

Jim will say that Dutch journalist is an Iranian plant. Anything to keep him safe in his far right cocoon.

[JamesWales]

Jim will say that Dutch journalist is an Iranian plant. Anything to keep him safe in his far right cocoon.

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

[Dorcus]

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

Do you realise how ridiculous you actually are?

[JamesWales]

Do you realise how ridiculous you actually are?

Good one!

[Dorcus]

Good one!

Not a good one, just a truthful one.

When you persist in trying to pervert the truth for ideological reasons you will eventually be caught out. And why go to all this trouble I ask myself when you're not even a high tax earner!

You're a strange one indeed!

[JamesWales]

Not a good one, just a truthful one.

When you persist in trying to pervert the truth for ideological reasons you will eventually be caught out. And why go to all this trouble I ask myself when you're not even a high tax earner!

You're a strange one indeed!

Okay, you are officially filed under troll now!

Nos da ducky

[Dorcus]

Okay, you are officially filed under troll now!

Nos da ducky

Okay you are officially filed under fascist now!

Buenos Noches Jimbo

[JamesWales]

Okay you are officially filed under fascist now!

Buenos Noches Jimbo

Nothing screams fascism like quoting the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch Prime Minister and chief of police whilst denunciating antisemitism, ill grant you that. Shocking stuff.

Welterusten, Ducky!

[Dorcus]

Nothing screams fascism like quoting the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch Prime Minister and chief of police whilst denunciating antisemitism, ill grant you that. Shocking stuff.

All corrupted by Western support for the Zionist agenda and hatred for Moslems. No wonder they are your support team

[the other bob wilson]

My bias? I am merely stating that it seems very likely that serious antisemitic attacks occured. And that seems to be verified.

Do you not think that is the case? If so why are the politicians lying?

Yes, your bias. I’ve posted two videos, in the first the person doing the filming specifically says that what is on her film is not what the main stream media and politicians are saying it is. The second video shows Sky News reporting what her video shows in one way and then changing it to something completely different shortly afterwards, why? Not only that, the second video has someone else on camera filming the Tel Aviv fans and, apparently, features him being threatened by them.

I don’t think anyone is denying that there was a degree of violence against the Tel Aviv fans are they, what is arguable is the timing of the events. I’ve posted two videos that suggests that the Tel Aviv fans were the instigators of the problem and so the same defending themselves argument that Netanyahu uses to justify what we’re seeing in Gaza would apply here wouldn’t it - albeit the initial attack was not as devastating as the Hamas one on 7 October was.

[JamesWales]

Yes, your bias. I’ve posted two videos, in the first the person doing the filming specifically says that what is on her film is not what the main stream media and politicians are saying it is. The second video shows Sky News reporting what her video shows in one way and then changing it to something completely different shortly afterwards, why? Not only that, the second video has someone else on camera filming the Tel Aviv fans and, apparently, features him being threatened by them.

I don’t think anyone is denying that there was a degree of violence against the Tel Aviv fans are they, what is arguable is the timing of the events. I’ve posted two videos that suggests that the Tel Aviv fans were the instigators of the problem and so the same defending themselves argument that Netanyahu uses to justify what we’re seeing in Gaza would apply here wouldn’t it - albeit the initial attack was not as devastating as the Hamas one on 7 October was.

Have you read the little exchange above? Some of the stuff posted by Dorcus and Sledge last night to merely for sticking to the facts as reported and not resorting to corners of the internet for gossip were pretty extreme.

We know that some of the first incidents were from Tel Aviv fans, but are you saying that justifies far more serious revenge attacks against anyone as a result?

Why would the politicians and media lie here? Or are we edging into a grand conspiracy theory?

And what is my bias? I'm talking about events in Amsterdam. Why are you talking about Netenyahu?Or are you saying global events can justify local violence against random people? I'm sure you can't be saying that?!

[the other bob wilson]

Have you read the little exchange above? Some of the stuff posted by Dorcus and Sledge last night to merely for sticking to the facts as reported and not resorting to corners of the internet for gossip were pretty extreme.

We know that some of the first incidents were from Tel Aviv fans, but are you saying that justifies far more serious revenge attacks against anyone as a result?

Why would the politicians and media lie here? Or are we edging into a grand conspiracy theory?

And what is my bias? I'm talking about events in Amsterdam. Why are you talking about Netenyahu?Or are you saying global events can justify local violence against random people? I'm sure you can't be saying that?!

How do we know that they were more serious? Even if they were, you’re showing your bias by arguing that the so called revenge attacks were more serious and devastating than the original attack, that’s contrary to the position you have adopted with Gaza where you’ve defended the Israelis.

[Dorcus]

Have you read the little exchange above? Some of the stuff posted by Dorcus and Sledge last night to merely for sticking to the facts as reported and not resorting to corners of the internet for gossip were pretty extreme.

We know that some of the first incidents were from Tel Aviv fans, but are you saying that justifies far more serious revenge attacks against anyone as a result?

Why would the politicians and media lie here? Or are we edging into a grand conspiracy theory?

And what is my bias? I'm talking about events in Amsterdam. Why are you talking about Netenyahu?Or are you saying global events can justify local violence against random people? I'm sure you can't be saying that?!

A simple riposte:

1. Absolutely NO ONE in this thread has sought to justify the violence which occurred in Amsterdam

2. Yes, there absolutely is a political conspiracy to support Israel to the hilt. The attempt to conflate anti-Zionist criticism with anti-Semitism is a Western establishment policy.

3. You can't have it both ways: either we just condemn the events as another instance of football violence and disassociate Netanyahu or we enter into a debate as to whether or not religious and ethnic hatred was involved and in which case Netanyahu's murderous campaign must be taken into account as an important backdrop.

[JamesWales]

How do we know that they were more serious? Even if they were, you’re showing your bias by arguing that the so called revenge attacks were more serious and devastating than the original attack, that’s contrary to the position you have adopted with Gaza where you’ve defended the Israelis.

Well five were hospitalised, there were 60 arrests, 7 of which were Israeli. Also the authorities in Amsterdam are quoted as saying so and emphasising the antisemitic nature of them.

I think people need to explain why all of that is untrue and why the authorities are lying before accusing others of bias etc. it's flirting with a pretty big and old conspiracy theory!

Reading though this makes quite clear that the authorities are aware of what happened but not of it justifies what followed. That seems a reasonable conclusion to me.
https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland...aviv~bae84eed/

I dont engage much with the Israel/ Palestine debates because I think it's an impossible situation. I think there's extremists on both sides. It definitely shouldn't be used to justify violence thousands of miles away and certainly isn't a reason to start disbelieving the authorities on the ground.

[JamesWales]

A simple riposte:

1. Absolutely NO ONE in this thread has sought to justify the violence which occurred in Amsterdam

2. Yes, there absolutely is a political conspiracy to support Israel to the hilt. The attempt to conflate anti-Zionist criticism with anti-Semitism is a Western establishment policy.

3. You can't have it both ways: either we just condemn the events as another instance of football violence and disassociate Netanyahu or we enter into a debate as to whether or not religious and ethnic hatred was involved and in which case Netanyahu's murderous campaign must be taken into account as an important backdrop.

1. Yes they have. And the very first post on this thread does just that

2. Totally disagree. The media isn't shy in reporting what is happening in Gaza (and the wet bank and Lebanon) or giving people on both sides a platform

3. I don't want it both ways. I'm saying we should believe what the authorities on the ground have told us. You can't use a global event or someone pinching a flag or vandalising a taxi t justify mass random attacks on people. Tbh I would have thought this is something we would all agree on.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The last two reporters in the clips posted danced all over your face JW

What they said could have been written by any of those trying to answer your pathetic replies on here

It was great to watch Rav Shanker put a foot up your arse and the arse of other stubborn pro Israel stooges.....including western governments and media

You are back again this morning with the same little boys can never be wrong nonsense

That final video by NM news is your nemesis , it came from above , as they say

Best if you move onto another thread now , you have been stuffed 👌