2024 US Presidential Election

[jon1959]

I think everyone who contributes to this forum, whether COVID skeptic or otherwise, needs to be grateful that we didn't die alone in hospital with COVID during the pandemic without any visits from loved ones; also that thousands of dedicated medics and nursing staff continued to man the hospitals under the most difficult working conditions imaginable, caring for patients whilst they themselves were practically on their knees from exhaustion (and indeed some dying of COVID themselves in the process).

Well said.

[JamesWales]

True. But we need to consider the people who didn't get the cancer diagnosis etc during that ridiculous year.

It's all very well us talking about locking ourselves away but there was a lot of cancer growing in people in that year and we need to consider that too

[Wales-Bales]

I think everyone who contributes to this forum, whether COVID skeptic or otherwise, needs to be grateful that we didn't die alone in hospital with COVID during the pandemic without any visits from loved ones; also that thousands of dedicated medics and nursing staff continued to man the hospitals under the most difficult working conditions imaginable, caring for patients whilst they themselves were practically on their knees from exhaustion (and indeed some dying of COVID themselves in the process).

What was your role at the hospital?

[TWGL1]

Well said.

I know many who worked in the NHS and they said the hospitals were eerily quiet. The propaganda was top draw though and as much as 50% of patients caught Covid in the hospital they were in despite all the precautions undertaken. Anyone care to offer an explanation as to why this was the case as it makes a mockery of the Science.

[the other bob wilson]

I know many who worked in the NHS and they said the hospitals were eerily quiet. The propaganda was top draw though and as much as 50% of patients caught Covid in the hospital they were in despite all the precautions undertaken. Anyone care to offer an explanation as to why this was the case as it makes a mockery of the Science.

So, hospitals were “eerily quiet” and yet half of Covid cases emanated from them, or are you saying half of the patients in hospital caught Covid while there? Both seem far fetched to me, got any proof of it?

[the other bob wilson]

Presumably you mean Covid wasn’t really the killer that we were told it was? That being the case, what was the point in lockdown? More pertinently, having got us all locked down, why are we now back living our lives as we did pre Covid? Maybe the plan’s too cunning for me

I should have learned by now that there’s not much point asking questions of the gifted, independent thinkers - they never get answered.

[TWGL1]

So, hospitals were “eerily quiet” and yet half of Covid cases emanated from them, or are you saying half of the patients in hospital caught Covid while there? Both seem far fetched to me, got any proof of it?

Wow have you been hiding under a rock or something, it’s well known that a significant number of people went into hospital for something else and ended up catching it in the hospital itself, probably because the test results were highly suspect more than anything else as the cycle threshold was set too high.

I presume you want historical links do you?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77lrgrny51o

A little nudge with the BBC

Another nudge here

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-10-23...ctions-england

Another nudge here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ated-hospital/

Here’s another one ( apparently one in three)


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...spital-making/

One in three Covid patients may have caught virus in hospital — making lockdown ‘difficult to justify’
Figures suggest large amount of transmission is on NHS wards and that many patients are primarily being treated for other conditions

Another CoNSpiraCY

[the other bob wilson]

Wow have you been hiding under a rock or something, it’s well known that a significant number of people went into hospital for something else and ended up catching it in the hospital itself, probably because the test results were highly suspect more than anything else as the cycle threshold was set too high.

I presume you want historical links do you?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77lrgrny51o

A little nudge with the BBC

Another nudge here

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-10-23...ctions-england

Another nudge here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ated-hospital/

Here’s another one ( apparently one in three)


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...spital-making/

One in three Covid patients may have caught virus in hospital — making lockdown ‘difficult to justify’
Figures suggest large amount of transmission is on NHS wards and that many patients are primarily being treated for other conditions

Another CoNSpiraCY

I said your claim of half of the people in hospital catching Covid while there seemed far fetched and, despite your triumphalism, your links prove me right. Your last link, which you present as some sort of gotcha , says “up to one in three”. So, while you’re claiming 50 per cent, the report is saying a maximum of 33 per cent - that’s a considerable difference.

You talk as if I was claiming that Covid was having no effect on the way hospitals were working. I heard enough four years ago to know that certainly wasn’t the case, but you were plucking figures out of the air and, although they are concerning articles in many ways, I don’t see them providing proof of the claims you made.

[Eric Cartman]

I know many who worked in the NHS and they said the hospitals were eerily quiet. The propaganda was top draw though and as much as 50% of patients caught Covid in the hospital they were in despite all the precautions undertaken. Anyone care to offer an explanation as to why this was the case as it makes a mockery of the Science.

It actually makes a mockery of the idea that lockdown didn't achieve anything, doesn't it? Are you saying that people who locked down didn't get it as much as people who couldn't lock down and were in direct contact with people? I'm shocked.

[TWGL1]

I said your claim of half of the people in hospital catching Covid while there seemed far fetched and, despite your triumphalism, your links prove me right. Your last link, which you present as some sort of gotcha , says “up to one in three”. So, while you’re claiming 50 per cent, the report is saying a maximum of 33 per cent - that’s a considerable difference.

You talk as if I was claiming that Covid was having no effect on the way hospitals were working. I heard enough four years ago to know that certainly wasn’t the case, but you were plucking figures out of the air and, although they are concerning articles in many ways, I don’t see them providing proof of the claims you made.

So, I’ve provided you with 4 articles on the subject in a heavily sensitive and censored environment ( think about it for a moment) and it’s not enough proof.

As an aside the NHS staff were hardly going to come out singing from the rooftops of how eerily quiet they were when they would probably lose their jobs.

Whilst there is a difference from 33% to what I quoted as 50% it’s still an alarming statistic and is much higher than has been reported. Here is another example of withheld information regarding hospital acquired Covid :-

“Both figures are the minimum and the reality is likely much higher due to a number of trusts not responding to the FOI or not recording the data. REPEAT - NOT RECORDING THE DATA.

Data covering from March 2020 until August 2022 at the latest, 94 NHS trusts out of 209 responded to the FOI which showed how deaths cause by hospital acquired Covid surged during winter as hospitals filled up with patients”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...14000-28046576

[Heathblue]

Not confirmed yet, but the Guy being positioned to head the NIH according to the WAPO has the extreme faaaar left in another Twitter meltdown.
Jay Bhattacharya whilst being a stanford physcician i,m sure will be educated by ccmb's armchair football elite.

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Not confirmed yet, but the Guy being positioned to head the NIH according to the WAPO has the extreme faaaar left in another Twitter meltdown.
Jay Bhattacharya whilst being a stanford physcician i,m sure will be educated by ccmb's armchair football elite.

WAPO incoming
The pages are being opened
Showtime
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[TWGL1]

I find that comment highly offensive and sickening.

Not another one who fell for the cult propaganda are you?

Matt Hancock makes bombshell claim that Covid pandemic did not overwhelm the NHS which conspiracy theorists have claimed time and time again ( Cyril can you regurgitate the conspiracy theories links please )

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...claim-34158030

Questioning him, Jacqueline Carey KC said: “The fact that the nurses are being stretched to the ratios that we've looked at and the potential adverse consequences for those who are in ICU does not in fact demonstrate the NHS was, in fact, overwhelmed

[Wales-Bales]

Trump's a muppet
NQAT
Z

[cyril evans awaydays]

Not another one who fell for the cult propaganda are you?

Matt Hancock makes bombshell claim that Covid pandemic did not overwhelm the NHS which conspiracy theorists have claimed time and time again ( Cyril can you regurgitate the conspiracy theories links please )

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...claim-34158030

Questioning him, Jacqueline Carey KC said: “The fact that the nurses are being stretched to the ratios that we've looked at and the potential adverse consequences for those who are in ICU does not in fact demonstrate the NHS was, in fact, overwhelmed

For some bizarre reason, known only to you, you think the KC is agreeing with the charlatan rather than expressing sarcastic bemusement.

If you had carried on reading the article rather than lilypad hopping from one supposed self-supporting headline to another, the following paragraphs would have removed any lingering doubt.

Ms Carey said: “Mr Hancock if you make a statement like ‘the NHS was not overwhelmed’ but you can't get an ICU bed because you're old or you've got down syndrome, or because there aren't enough nurses. People would say that is overwhelmed, wouldn't they?”

Calling a break in proceedings, Chair Baroness Heather Hallett said: “I think some people in the public gallery here are experiencing some distress. Could I encourage them to seek any support if they need it.”

Mr Hancock was shown a clip of earlier evidence of a senior medic breaking down in tears while recalling his experience in intensive care units (ICUs) which were running out of body bags.

When you are having weeks like you are having my advice would be lock the keyboard in a cupboard for the weekend!

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Trump's a muppet
NQAT
Z

Best one yet

[TWGL1]

For some bizarre reason, known only to you, you think the KC is agreeing with the charlatan rather than expressing sarcastic bemusement.

If you had carried on reading the article rather than lilypad hopping from one supposed self-supporting headline to another, the following paragraphs would have removed any lingering doubt.

Ms Carey said: “Mr Hancock if you make a statement like ‘the NHS was not overwhelmed’ but you can't get an ICU bed because you're old or you've got down syndrome, or because there aren't enough nurses. People would say that is overwhelmed, wouldn't they?”

Calling a break in proceedings, Chair Baroness Heather Hallett said: “I think some people in the public gallery here are experiencing some distress. Could I encourage them to seek any support if they need it.”

Mr Hancock was shown a clip of earlier evidence of a senior medic breaking down in tears while recalling his experience in intensive care units (ICUs) which were running out of body bags.

When you are having weeks like you are having my advice would be lock the keyboard in a cupboard for the weekend!

The headline is correct , most normal people know that.
You’re now saying he’s a charlatan when you were following his every instruction and ridiculed those who questioned his actions ,make your mind up ,doesn’t his statements fit your narrative anymore, do you no longer believe him ?

He also said NHS England had a 'particular problem' with hospital-acquired infection, which was questioned the other day by some other experts.

“Matt Hancock described hospital-acquired infection as a “very serious problem” in health systems everywhere but said the NHS had a “particular problem with it.”

Why don’t you post links to say he was lying ?

Why couldn’t you see this at the time ( he was a charlatan)rather than being yet another self appointed government deputy?

[cyril evans awaydays]

The headline is correct , most normal people know that.
You’re now saying he’s a charlatan when you were following his every instruction and ridiculed those who questioned his actions ,make your mind up ,doesn’t his statements fit your narrative anymore, do you no longer believe him ?

He also said NHS England had a 'particular problem' with hospital-acquired infection, which was questioned the other day by some other experts.

“Matt Hancock described hospital-acquired infection as a “very serious problem” in health systems everywhere but said the NHS had a “particular problem with it.”

Why don’t you post links to say he was lying ?

Why couldn’t you see this at the time ( he was a charlatan)rather than being yet another self appointed government deputy?

It's a pity that your username wasn't posting at the time as it would have seen the low regard that Hancock was held by those that were. People made their sacrifices despite him rather than because of him.

Turning it on its head you seem to think that Hancock is some kind of truth sayer rather than someone who struggles to know fact from fiction.

Here are the thoughts of the BMA and others who lived and worked through the crisis pleading with Hancock to come clean. It appears he was again unable to do so.

https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-cen...-covid-inquiry

Still I guess common cause makes strange bedfellows. Stevo earlier was apalled with your lack of empathy for those who suffered during Covid and those who worked tirelessly to deal with its consequences. He is not alone in that opinion!

[TWGL1]

It's a pity that your username wasn't posting at the time as it would have seen the low regard that Hancock was held by those that were. People made their sacrifices despite him rather than because of him.

Turning it on its head you seem to think that Hancock is some kind of truth sayer rather than someone who struggles to know fact from fiction.

Here are the thoughts of the BMA and others who lived and worked through the crisis pleading with Hancock to come clean. It appears he was again unable to do so.

https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-cen...-covid-inquiry

Still I guess common cause makes strange bedfellows. Stevo earlier was apalled with your lack of empathy for those who suffered during Covid and those who worked tirelessly to deal with its consequences. He is not alone in that opinion!

I’ve got plenty of empathy for those who lost their lives during this time, not just those who died from Covid , but of those friends I lost from their mental health struggles, people who’s health suffered from undiagnosed illnesses, the failure to obtain medical attention , the fact that people like you thought anyone who questioned the diktats was wrong etc etc, and the fact that people like you flip flop when it suits. I also resent the fact that my son missed out on his school work and was unable to see his grandparents and family for months on end.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I’m sure it had something to with a thread on here,but I wanted to find a figure for the number of Covid deaths and found the figure of 7 million, so there wasn’t much thinking through because from my position I don’t think I needed to.

I like to believe that your average person (including me) are open minded and intelligent enough to twig when they are being conned even if they believed the con at first.

There’s a public enquiry into how the Pandemic was handled going on at the moment and I’m sure it will identify stacks of things that could have been done better. However, I don’t for one moment believe that the gist of the conclusions they arrive at will be formed by a belief that Covid was nothing more than a version of the flu and that the measures introduced to try and control the virus were in fact part of a plan to indoctrinate and subtly persuade the population into meek acceptance of policies aimed at restricting their basic freedoms.

Right from time Covid was detected and then given a name, the gifted and critical thinkers on here were on it like a rash jumping to completely predictable conclusions because that’s what they do. The months that followed saw all sorts of absurd speculation from them and there were cases of some of them taking time of on here and when they returned (or started posting under.a new name in other cases), things had changed, now they had a common set of beliefs to work with and it was just a question of shoehorning any new information into that set of beliefs to try and make it look like they were right all of the time - that process continues to this day.

Yep

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

For some bizarre reason, known only to you, you think the KC is agreeing with the charlatan rather than expressing sarcastic bemusement.

If you had carried on reading the article rather than lilypad hopping from one supposed self-supporting headline to another, the following paragraphs would have removed any lingering doubt.

Ms Carey said: “Mr Hancock if you make a statement like ‘the NHS was not overwhelmed’ but you can't get an ICU bed because you're old or you've got down syndrome, or because there aren't enough nurses. People would say that is overwhelmed, wouldn't they?”

Calling a break in proceedings, Chair Baroness Heather Hallett said: “I think some people in the public gallery here are experiencing some distress. Could I encourage them to seek any support if they need it.”

Mr Hancock was shown a clip of earlier evidence of a senior medic breaking down in tears while recalling his experience in intensive care units (ICUs) which were running out of body bags.

When you are having weeks like you are having my advice would be lock the keyboard in a cupboard for the weekend!

It's like hearing about a robbery and turning up to the police station with the cash and money in a swag bag

[Wales-Bales]

The gifted, independent thinkers™

This phrase always cracks me up

[Packerman]

And me for different reasons to yours

[TWGL1]

And me for different reasons to yours

Remember the start, supposedly leaked vids of Chinese dropping dead in the streets, military trucks supposedly full of coffins in Italy , then to bring it home a military chap declares the marquee erected on the Westminster lawn was a morgue, didn’t you think that was questionable and misinformation?

The government were only doing what they were told.

Boris soon caught on. He “nearly died”

[Wales-Bales]

And me for different reasons to yours

Head-in-the-sand is a valid strategy