Club respond to open letter

[blue matt]

I am partial to training gear for around the house ( lounge wear ) or popping to the supermarket etc

the training stuff if great, ive got a few bits, wear it to all my football stuff, always gets a good response at Bristol City I did a CPD ( Continuing Professional Development ) on Ladies football last year, they had a coach from the US to discuss coaching methods and how it differs from the male game, the other person taking the course spotted my top ( the blue and green one from last year ) and said I had to take it off or he wasnt going to continue with the training

[blue matt]

It's a damning indictment of our current fanbase that supporters who care - those who are trying to hold the club hierarchy to account - get shot at or ridiculed for caring.

It's another damning indictment of our current fanbase that we have people suggesting "if you don't like the way it's being run, then walk away".

for the record, just incase this is aimed at me, ive never shot at or ridiculed anyone if they want to protest / moan on here / demand to know what is happening with the manager and the hiring process

im just not sure of the point of it, ive come to the conclusion after all these years, the modern elite game doesnt really care about the fans, we are just a customer, I feel the further you drop down the leagues and into non-league, the club has to care more as you really are the group who keep the club going with the money we spend, the Issue is that many clubs in the top few leagues are dependant on the owners money, so if I stop going to watch Cardiff for a season, VT doesnt care, yet I could go and spend that money going to watch Bath city ( for example as that is the closest team to me ) and the Bath ( a community ran club ) appreciate it ( not too much that I can demand to know who is going to be the new manager and what the hiring process is, like some appear to think they can at Cardiff ) Bath are managerless at the mo

I still get to Cardiff games, but dont trouble myself with the way the clubs being run and what the next crisis will be ( I guess that means some may think that means I am not as big a fan ) this club has always gone from one crisis to the next for along as I have supported them ( in the late 80's ), thats the way it is, I cant do much about it ( I did buy some shares to help sign Kurt Nogan and that didnt exactly pan out as we had hoped ) so I just roll with it, but if it got to a point that I wasnt enjoying it ( as it appears some here aren't ) then as I said, walk away, take a break, who knows the good times might be around the corner and it'll be fun again, life is too short to be that bothered by the latest crisis at CCFC

[Henry Hill]

You said you spent a grand a year on merch on your son, which seemed mindblowing to me having seen the club shop. Makes a lot more sense if it was on all those other people as well, but I do worry about what's happening to all the beach towels.

But anyway, like you said, on with the original thread topic

He must be Omar Rizas old man if he’s spending a grand a year on club merch.

[Henry Hill]

The total spent ,which before tax is around the figure quoted ,it may differ by a few hundred pounds ( gross ) per year but shall we just continue with the current thread rather than scrutinise my gross expenditure ?

Typically it’s going off track again just because that what posters tend to do just to make a point usually not relevant to actual content of discussion

3 programmes

I smell bullshit.

[Vic Flange]

3 programmes

I smell bullshit.

Of course it is. Or at very least exaggerating. And who in their right mind buys things like beach towels, scarves and hats annually? It’s not even as if the designs change each year like they do with kit.

[TWGL1]

Of course it is. Or at very least exaggerating. And who in their right mind buys things like beach towels, scarves and hats annually? It’s not even as if the designs change each year like they do with kit.

Why the need to bullshit over the programmes , and the amount I spend , it’s around that figure , and the three programmes are for me ( for autographs after the match ) my neighbour and one other for the folder which I keep it in. ( pristine)

The amount I spend is also on other family members as-well ( perhaps I should have sence-checked what I typed if I’d have know the scrutinisation) , it soon adds up. Yet again the point of this thread is getting sidetracked.

If you don’t buy a new beach towel for every holiday ( x 2 or 3) youmust me a skank

[Henry Hill]

Why the need to bullshit over the programmes , and the amount I spend , it’s around that figure , and the three programmes are for me ( for autographs after the match ) my neighbour and one other for the folder which I keep it in. ( pristine)

The amount I spend is also on other family members as-well ( perhaps I should have sence-checked what I typed if I’d have know the scrutinisation) , it soon adds up. Yet again the point of this thread is getting sidetracked.

If you don’t buy a new beach towel for every holiday ( x 2 or 3) youmust me a skank

Course you do, course you do.

£1000 a season on merch, autographs after the match. Are you Dai Hunt in disguise?

[TWGL1]

Jealous are you ? Family members, presents etc , the training stuff is not exactly cheap , how much do you think three full kits cost with printing, and clobber for extended family ?

[Henry Hill]

Jealous are you ? Family members, presents etc , the training stuff is not exactly cheap , how much do you think three full kits cost with printing, and clobber for extended family ?

Super jealous.

From clearly stating you spent it on your son “every year since he was born” to extended family members.

Give it a rest Paul Sykes.

[TWGL1]

Again , it’s what I spend , just accept that, granted I should have worded it better but I didn’t think it was actually that much in the first place

[Jimmy the Jock]

That's a lot of paperweights!

You haven’t seen the price of them …

[Jimmy the Jock]

Blue Twat Matt sums up everything wrong with this fanbase

Really , Matt is giving a point of view . One I agree with .
Do you remember the day Cardiff rioted against the owners when we played Brighton . Red scarfs all round . Che Guevara eat your heart out .
The club have a process for bringing up grievances, the trust ( who Iam a long time member )went against it for whatever reason, the supporters club ( big time red supporters ) have gone rogue ….
Please feel free to abuse me as well .

[Jimmy the Jock]

for the record, just incase this is aimed at me, ive never shot at or ridiculed anyone if they want to protest / moan on here / demand to know what is happening with the manager and the hiring process

im just not sure of the point of it, ive come to the conclusion after all these years, the modern elite game doesnt really care about the fans, we are just a customer, I feel the further you drop down the leagues and into non-league, the club has to care more as you really are the group who keep the club going with the money we spend, the Issue is that many clubs in the top few leagues are dependant on the owners money, so if I stop going to watch Cardiff for a season, VT doesnt care, yet I could go and spend that money going to watch Bath city ( for example as that is the closest team to me ) and the Bath ( a community ran club ) appreciate it ( not too much that I can demand to know who is going to be the new manager and what the hiring process is, like some appear to think they can at Cardiff ) Bath are managerless at the mo

I still get to Cardiff games, but dont trouble myself with the way the clubs being run and what the next crisis will be ( I guess that means some may think that means I am not as big a fan ) this club has always gone from one crisis to the next for along as I have supported them ( in the late 80's ), thats the way it is, I cant do much about it ( I did buy some shares to help sign Kurt Nogan and that didnt exactly pan out as we had hoped ) so I just roll with it, but if it got to a point that I wasnt enjoying it ( as it appears some here aren't ) then as I said, walk away, take a break, who knows the good times might be around the corner and it'll be fun again, life is too short to be that bothered by the latest crisis at CCFC

Spot on .

[Elwood Blues]

Blue Twat Matt sums up everything wrong with this fanbase

I don't know Matt, but he has been a long time suoporter of this club and has every right to express his opinion whether you or I agree with it or not

You, on the other hand,have by your nasty comment revealed yourself to be something of an ignoramus

[Dave Blue]

Of course it is. Or at very least exaggerating. And who in their right mind buys things like beach towels, scarves and hats annually? It’s not even as if the designs change each year like they do with kit.

In our summer who wouldn’t buy a beach towel, hat and scarf? You need them all on the same day.

[the other bob wilson]

I don't know Matt, but he has been a long time suoporter of this club and has every right to express his opinion whether you or I agree with it or not

You, on the other hand,have by your nasty comment revealed yourself to be something of an ignoramus

However, Matt lost all right to be treated with respect in this thread when he said right at the start of his contribution that any one who backed what was said in the open letter should either buy the club or walk away from it - comparing someone’s support of their football club to their “support” of the super market they use wasn’t the cleverest either.

[The Lone Gunman]

I don't know Matt, but he has been a long time supporter of this club and has every right to express his opinion whether you or I agree with it or not

I thought he was just a customer?

Your comment is kind of ironic given Matt’s stance on fans expressing opinions.

[WJ99mobile]

What has this FAB actually done?

[Jordi Culé]

for the record, just incase this is aimed at me, ive never shot at or ridiculed anyone if they want to protest / moan on here / demand to know what is happening with the manager and the hiring process

im just not sure of the point of it, ive come to the conclusion after all these years, the modern elite game doesnt really care about the fans, we are just a customer, I feel the further you drop down the leagues and into non-league, the club has to care more as you really are the group who keep the club going with the money we spend, the Issue is that many clubs in the top few leagues are dependant on the owners money, so if I stop going to watch Cardiff for a season, VT doesnt care, yet I could go and spend that money going to watch Bath city ( for example as that is the closest team to me ) and the Bath ( a community ran club ) appreciate it ( not too much that I can demand to know who is going to be the new manager and what the hiring process is, like some appear to think they can at Cardiff ) Bath are managerless at the mo

I still get to Cardiff games, but dont trouble myself with the way the clubs being run and what the next crisis will be ( I guess that means some may think that means I am not as big a fan ) this club has always gone from one crisis to the next for along as I have supported them ( in the late 80's ), thats the way it is, I cant do much about it ( I did buy some shares to help sign Kurt Nogan and that didnt exactly pan out as we had hoped ) so I just roll with it, but if it got to a point that I wasnt enjoying it ( as it appears some here aren't ) then as I said, walk away, take a break, who knows the good times might be around the corner and it'll be fun again, life is too short to be that bothered by the latest crisis at CCFC

Decent post Matt.

I agree with a lot of that. The red debacle bringing it home for myself.

Tan isn't arsed about who comes through the door, he just needs numbers through it. He's made that plain over the years.

I get why some are still emotionally attached to 'City' and have a vested interest in how the club is run but that ship sailed for me a long time ago.

If I'm brutally honest, I use City as a tool to do something in common with my youngest lad who wants to watch them. If it wasn't for him, I'd probably wouldn't bother?

[blue matt]

if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer

However, Matt lost all right to be treated with respect in this thread when he said right at the start of his contribution that any one who backed what was said in the open letter should either buy the club or walk away from it - comparing someone’s support of their football club to their “support” of the super market they use wasn't the cleverest either.

people can still have a difference of opinion and be shown respect, well they can in my world , maybe thats the difference between us

for the record though I said " if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer " which is right, as a fan, I ( and others, including the club it seems ) dont believe we have any right demanding to know who is going to be manager and what the hiring process is and what the long term plans are, despite all this discussion on here I still dont, as ive pointed out aswell, it doesn't bother me that much either

Oh and I never "compared someone’s support of their football club to their “support” of the super market they use " either, I said we are just customers to the owners, you see yourself as something more, fair enough

in fact I agreed with Don Corleone when he said

There is not much point with the company / customer analogies as supporting a football club is a very different experience with a strong emotional tie in.

agreed, its completely different, but imho we are just customers in todays modern game, its a shame, but thats the way I feel it is

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I get why some are still emotionally attached to 'City' and have a vested interest in how the club

Which is why it's important to be able to voice opinions.

[cyril evans awaydays]

people can still have a difference of opinion and be shown respect, well they can in my world , maybe thats the difference between us

for the record though I said " if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer " which I still think is right, as a fan, I ( and others, including the club it seems ) dont believe we have any right demanding to know who is going to be manager and what the hiring process is and what the long term plans are, despite all this discussion on here I still dont, as ive pointed out aswell, it doesn't bother me that much either

Oh and I never "compared someone’s support of their football club to their “support” of the super market they use " either, I said we are just customers to the owners, you see yourself as something more, fair enough

in fact I agreed with Don Corleone when he said

Perhaps the bit where you lost respect for some was you giving advice to those pondering your second option of walking away and what future contribution they should make to this board if they did,

if you are not happy walk away ( Silently is better or even a slightly mumble if you must, as we dont want the drama on here, the big grand boycott speech, its embarrassing )

[The Lone Gunman]

I still get to Cardiff games, but dont trouble myself with the way the clubs being run and what the next crisis will be... this club has always gone from one crisis to the next for along as I have supported them, thats the way it is, I cant do much about it.... so I just roll with it.... life is too short to be that bothered by the latest crisis at CCFC

The shoulder-shrugging apathy regarding 'the way it is' displayed by a large majority of football fans is precisely why it is the way it is.

[TWGL1]

The shoulder-shrugging apathy regarding 'the way it is' displayed by a large majority of football fans is precisely why it is the way it is.

The way it is is absolutely fine for the majority of fans who don’t really care about the background stuff.

I cant believe I’m saying this but I’m not particularly bothered if we go down as there would be some decent away grounds to visit and who knows we may come back refreshed, just like Southampton Sunderland and the like.

If there was serous concerns within the fan base I’m sure the trust membership would increase by more than 3%

Oh does anyone want to buy some hardly worn merchandise?

[The Lone Gunman]

The way it is is absolutely fine for the majority of fans who don’t really care about the background stuff.

Indeed. Never was this more apparent than during the rebrand saga.

Problem is, the 'majority' is getting gradually smaller as the apathy spreads.