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Not only possible but extremely likely from what keith says above- i.e. anyone who puts their name forward ends up on the board?Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I wouldn't be surprised. Lots of voluntary organisations like this, not just football but just about everything, are usually crying out for new members to be on boards or committees etc, to help out and give of their time, energy and ideas. Quite often there are board members who would happily take a back seat if someone else really wanted to do it and only do so because there isn't anyone else interested.
Well thats what he says. In recent years anyone who gets their name forward gets elected to sit on the board.
Yet ninian knight reckons its totally impossible he could ever be elected so theres no point trying! Cant wait for his response!
I’ve been a Trust member since 2008 and have been doing work for it on the membership side since 2010 which means I have got to work quite closely with some Board members and a fairly consistent theme has been the need for new, younger blood in terms of both members and Board. At times, it does seem like a closed shop where the same old faces on the Committee, but the rules are in place to make it different and a look at the current Board
https://www.ccfctrust.org/board-members/
Proves that it’s not really like that - apologies to all of them, but I think they’d accept that they aren’t in the first flush of youth, but the large majority of them don’t qualify as the same, old faces. The truth is that the Trust needs more members, preferably under the age of 40 and this is recognised by Board members.
Thank you for the above assessment. It is what I have been trying to say all along but you have put it in a far better way. I don't doubt that those working on the trust board have good intentions but 16 years later it is still a failed project.
They will never improve whilst they still hide behind the slogan of 'join us and stand if you think you can do better'. The trust board is a closed shop and the same faces will sit on there forever. What they need to do is show that the trust is worth joining. If I saw a good functioning trust which got up the backside of the CCFC board and wern't afraid to upset the status quo I would join in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately, I don't see that. I see a woke politically correct group who are more interested in getting pats on the back for attending Diwali celebrations or other nonsense which has nothing to do with the running of CCFC.
Maybe at there next meeting they should start by having a good and frank discussion on themselves. Is it time for a clear out? I can see the sense in Keith Morgan staying because of his unquie insight to football finance but some of the others, surely it is time for them to move on.
Ninian Knight I have only had one user name do you have others? Are you again targeting the person rather than the issue?
The above is everything that is wrong with the trust. You have failed for 16 years yet the same people are reelected. Instead of making silly unrealistic statements like 'join us and stand for election' (which won't happen because the trust is a closed shop) how about making the trust someting I would like to join?
After 16 years how much has the trust expanded in membership? Surely that has to be your benchmark. Each and every year you need to be adding sigificant numbers. Sending out emails asking for people to stand is not the benchmark.
You need some personality on the trust board someone who will tackle the issues and not the personalities. Hatchmen like the Loan Gunman are not the way forward and frankly the trust should distance itself from posters like him. Frankly he is an online bully who main tatic is to attack the man not the ball, i.e. the poster not the issue.
There is no 'issue' to target. And you don't fool me for a second.
To clarify, I'm not a Trust member and haven't been since 2012.
I repeat, there is no issue to 'attack'. Your claims are false.
Bollocks.
Fair play, as WUM's go you're pretty good. But then you've no doubt had plenty of practice under previous usernames.
I was trying to show that the Trust is not a closed shop - three of the Committee have been there for a long time, but they’ve all had to stand for re election whenever their allotted time on it runs out and all of the other people shown in the link are relatively new Committee members.
You call the Trust a”failed project”, what would have given it a pass in your eyes because I think the term “a critical fried”, a description I first heard of about fifteen years ago, as far as their relationship with the club goes is about right.
Ever thought that might be due to the lack of people willing to put themselves forward for election?
With fear of raising my head above the parapet. How do the trust goals differ from the supporter's club?
Pre-covid i was a member of CCSC as it benefitted me with travel, they also have a clear pathway into the club as it is a symbiotic relationship. I have never understood the Raison d'ętre of the trust under this ownership structure.
Well-run businesses pay good money to understand the voice of the customer, we have rarely been well-run, but especially since Mr. Tan tenure. I don't see an appetite from the club for the trust any more than the other groups.
I post more on the other forum and a lot got their knickers in a twist over FAB. I think fans got over-excited and thought that this is a seat on the board or close to the decision-makers. IMO its a series of focus groups aimed at getting a cross-section of views from their customers. Whether they listen is their decision, but the invitees don't get to set the agenda or questions during focus groups, that is the team running the group.
I think the trust board are well-meaning, decent fans who want the best for the club. But it's not their club, its Tans in his eyes.
Thus page https://www.ccfctrust.org/about-the-trust/ tells you what the trust is about.
As far as I can see the Supporters exists primarily to arrange travel to away matches.
In a nutshell, a supporters’ trust is supposed to attempt to strengthen the voice of the fans in the decision-making at the club and strengthen the bond between the club and the local community. It is also an independent, democratic, legal entity which can play an active role in times of crisis or be in active opposition to the club’s owners and officials if necessary.
A supporters’ club is just that - a club for supporters.
I have read that page and its all intent. Without an invite its just intent.
"We act as a bridge between the fanbase and club leadership, advocating for supporters’ interests and working to improve the match-day experience for all fans" Only if the club are interested and now that remit is in the wider FAB
"Membership in the Trust offers numerous benefits, including voting rights in board elections and the opportunity to shape the future of Cardiff City FC." The highlighted text is an aspiration as Tan doesn't recognise the need for fan consultation.
This is not a criticism of anyone or the idea, just under Tan I don't ever think this is a starter.
Out of interest which big club has a meaningful trust. I guess the well-run type; Brighton, Brentfords or is it a lower-level thing?
If it has a small membership and is viewed as weak by its own supporters, a trust could never have any genuine influence while an owner like Tan is in position.
If it had 10,000 members and the genuine support of the fanbase, things would be very different.
Having said the above, the CCFC Trust has managed to ruffle the board’s feathers on several occasions regardless of Tan’s ownership, and that can only be a good thing in my opinion.
Why are you not a member then?
I quit the Trust in mid-2012 as I was extremely disappointed with the board and the membership’s response to Vincent Tan’s ridiculous vanity project, and I was disgusted by the fanbase’s reaction as a whole.
A small group of us worked very hard to set up the Trust in order to provide a proper framework for Cardiff City supporters to have an independent, democratically-elected voice, but the project was largely met with apathy and disdain, not to mention outright hostility from certain individuals who viewed their prominent but unelected positions within the fanbase to be under threat. The whole experience was hugely demoralising.
I’m fully supportive of the Trust’s aims and of the unpaid volunteers who serve it, but I don’t believe CCFC’s fanbase either wants or deserves such an organisation, which is a shame.
My father is still a Trust member and has been since day one, but I haven’t rejoined yet. I may do so eventually, but some of the responses in this thread neatly sum up the attitude of a large percentage of the fanbase, and in my opinion that attitude sucks.
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