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And the atmosphere was superb with players who fought and cared about the shirt 🤣🤣🤣Originally Posted by Dave Blue
You sure about that?
You had your casuals from Cardiff , then you had your Valley Boys , who eventually integrated, then you had our Docks Crew and Brownhills , then you had the rest of the fanbase
Plenty of away games I went to we did our own thing, and arranged our own transport, totally disconnected from the rest of the away supporters.
Maybe what Goats means (and he can correct me if i'm wrong)is that we weren't happy clappers back then as as a unit we would criticise the club, which was probably for the best part. As a fanbase we are so docile these days, myself included. We never used to be like that, and those who were critical weren't shouted down as much as they are today. Maybe some revisionism on my part there.
Probably because nobody discussed the club debt , ( or was aware of it unless you went to companies house and got the micro out) the lack of quality transfers, and there was certainly no uproar with the relegation confirmation at Bury or other places.
Apart from perhaps that short period when Rick Wright was spending very big sums for the Fourth Division, comparing the 2010s and 2020s with the 1980s and 1990s is like comparing apples with pears. Speaking for myself, I never used to get too annoyed thirty and forty years ago because, simply put, we were skint and the realistic expectation had to be survival if we were in the third tier and a possible promotion, if we were lucky, when we were in the fourth.
Contrast that to the last fifteen years when we have had a billionaire/multi millionaire “benefactor “ who, to be fair to him, has sanctioned transfer spending which should have resulted in more than two promotions followed immediately by two relegations.
It’s been a huge, huge opportunity wasted and a complete failure which sees us now plumbing on field depths we never did under Peter Ridsdale. Tan’s time here has turned into an abject failure largely because of two things, he, and Dalman, have been dreadful at picking new managers and he has stuck stubbornly to a policy based on a distrust of “football men” founded on his Mackay/Moody experiences almost a dozen years ago. Such a policy may have worked when I was a kid, but, it would be laughable these days if it wasn’t my club involved.
I don’t blame anyone if they think marches and demonstrations against Tan are called for, but I can’t see them removing him while the Emiliano Sala situation remains unclear.
Exactly ... there are potentially millions to gain should the judgement be in favour of Cardiff. Tan is between the proverbial rock and hard place.
You reckon even if in our favour Nantes just pay up?
I reckon any decent offer and Tan sells.
Totally unsure about this. I just assume that if Tan sells before any judgement is made he may not be able to claim anything as it's Cardiff City v Nantes.
Yeah maybe….noisier than the current morgue we play at anyway.
It really wasn't.
The youngsters at least give it a go these days.
The old farts though are blaming the youngsters, Wayne Nash etc though.🤣
NP with 2000 was a horrible experience.
For sure, there were inter city rivalries, loads of them…south or north of coryton etc but if we had to get together we did. All the valley towns used to battle it out back then too. As much as the Docks lot liked going it alone there were plenty of times they tagged along with everyone else
Yeah this but I’m sure I’m looking back with rose tinted glasses, sure NP was quiet most of the time as you could count the away fans most weeks so not much atmosphere but if we had crowds of 5/6000 there would be. As for fan rivalry it was massive for some area like Ely v fairwater, docks v Ely, llanrumney v docks or llanishen. But when “needed” we all came together. We never really had these types of issues we have now, not on this scale anyway, we just had clemo and someone would put his windows through every now and again.
Tan won’t get anything from Nantes, they haven’t got any cash, pay him with magic beans are they?
I think this will be his biggest issue, and disappointment. There's more chance of Nantes going into administration than paying Tan off; and it could take years to reach a resolution. Saving face or not, realistically Tan is facing irredeemable financial losses and a wretched legacy. Unless a white knight arrives on his charger soon, Cardiff City will be left in the wilderness.
I think he'd sell with a reasonable offer.
The problem is Tan's idea of a reasonable offer and a prospective buyer's idea of a reasonable offer have some distance between them
Do we actually know this or is this being fed back from dubious sources?
Indeed , did you frequent brownhills , that was mainly our watering hall , as was congregating outside Olympus Sports on Saturday mornings.
I think 'from dubious sources'. WBA were bought for £64m earlier this year and than included their debts. If you were Tan would you sell up for less than £100m, considering what he's put into the club ? He's not going to get it while the club's heading for league 1, and probably believed the hype about us being a 'top 6' club..
Sometimes in business you have to cut your losses ( how much was put into Everton by the last owners compared to what they sold for ?)
Relegation could possibly be the straw. The chances of getting a return on his investment would become ever smaller.
I doubt anyone other than maybe Steve Borley know Tans thoughts on the club, selling , Nantes etc.. ,
I also doubt the toxic atmosphere at Oxford will concern him if he even hears about it. If it carries on though .......
There has been a lot of dissatisfaction on here, when it spreads to the terraces its a different volume level all together.
Absolutely , if Cardiff had remained in the premier league in red , this would be a totally different message board with a totally different clientele.
And if we get relegated again , could be catalyst for another seismic change...
I thought the £15m transfer fee that City had to pay was put into a trust, that Nantes couldn't touch, until the outcome of the trial.
StT.
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Of course Tan will receive no financial recompense off Nantes, they’re skint, any insurance companies involved will find multiple loopholes to avoid paying, and there are plenty of loopholes. Tan will want to be exonerated purely to save face, to say he was right and has won, pride means everything to him, much more than any financial gain.
...and that's a fact is it?
And yet he's allowed his football team to become something of a humiliation for him. It's hard to see how he can save face as far as City is concerned, even an attempt to buy our way to promotion would see us breaking FFP regulations I would have thought.
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