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    Auschwitz

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yep0l5545t

    A day to reflect how lucky we are not having to go through a war.

    Man is the animal.

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    Man's inhumanity to man.

    May we remember to never forget.

    StT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve the Tea View Post
    Man's inhumanity to man.

    May we remember to never forget.

    StT.
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    We have a duty never to forget the horrors that happened to people just because they were different. It's a lesson many still need to learn now.

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    If you have been there! it is a horrific place. How anyone could hate people this much i'm not able to understand.

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    Some great coverage on BBC fair play with some powerful speeches with some scary statistics.
    The youth must be educated better and the far right crushed.
    The damage social media platforms does cannot be overstated and turning a blind eye for the sake of business wealth makes us all complicit.

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    The Holocaust has horrified me and been an interest ever since I read Schindlers Ark (which became the truly excellent film Schindlers List) in year 10.

    It is unimaginable. What perhaps is most remarkable is how lucky the survivors were. To survive the ghettos and the transportations, then to survive the initial selections and then life in Auschwitz.

    I think it's also worth stating that those bound for Auschwitz and other concentration camps were the comparatively lucky ones as they weren't death camps. Treblinka, Sobibor and the like were places where all bar a tiny tiny minority survived no more than an hour or two.

    The uprising at Treblinka is one of the most inspiring and fascinating stories of the entire war. There is a documentary on Treblinka here. Its as bleak as our humanity has ever been but it's an incredibly engaging watch and I think we all have a duty to remember in our own ways.

    https://youtu.be/x-lKa35g7hA?si=K38En3df59xw8GLZ

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    It really is hard to believe what humans are capable of doing to fellow humans.

    Works of fiction can, I've found, give a moving portrayal of the horrors of life in Auschwitz and other concentration camps, even though they're not always 100,% accurate. Schindler's List, as already mentioned, but also the film Life is Beautiful and the books The One Man and The Tattooist of Auschwitz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yep0l5545t

    A day to reflect how lucky we are not having to go through a war.

    Man is the animal.
    Unfortunately Europe is suffering war again brought on by a Hitler esque loon

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK View Post
    If you have been there! it is a horrific place. How anyone could hate people this much i'm not able to understand.
    Belsen is the same

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    It’s difficult to comprehend that there are politicians and other influential people who are hoodwinking ordinary people down the same path in this day and age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
    It really is hard to believe what humans are capable of doing to fellow humans.

    Works of fiction can, I've found, give a moving portrayal of the horrors of life in Auschwitz and other concentration camps, even though they're not always 100,% accurate. Schindler's List, as already mentioned, but also the film Life is Beautiful and the books The One Man and The Tattooist of Auschwitz.
    I'd add Zone of Interest to that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiss Peter View Post
    I'd add Zone of Interest to that list.
    Not read that one - I'll check it out.

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    Auschwitz & Hiroshima, indescribable places.

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    The fate of many, is guided by the hands of few.
    99% of the worlds population are peace loving people, but we witness war after war, generation after generation.

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    About to watch the Tattooists son on Sky History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
    Not read that one - I'll check it out.
    It's a film that was getting quite good reviews a few months back. I went to see it twice in a week, which I very rarely do (...partly because there was quite a bit I didn't understand first time around!)

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    How many thousands of infants is Israel currently murdering ? Nobody learns anything. Crimes of the son I guess.

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    I've been to the holocaust memorial museum in Israel, the genocide memorial in Rwanda, the killing fields in Phnom Penh and a number of other places where atrocities have occurred.

    Awful but necessary places to never let us forget.

    But the words 'never again' are hollow when the above examples show that it does happen again, perhaps not on the scale of what happened in 1940's Europe, but the evilness of mankind knows no bounds.

    Gaza will become yet another genocide memorial site and we will all be saying 'never again', again :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    We have a duty never to forget the horrors that happened to people just because they were different. It's a lesson many still need to learn now.
    Very true, Eric.

    StT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The Holocaust has horrified me and been an interest ever since I read Schindlers Ark (which became the truly excellent film Schindlers List) in year 10.

    It is unimaginable. What perhaps is most remarkable is how lucky the survivors were. To survive the ghettos and the transportations, then to survive the initial selections and then life in Auschwitz.

    I think it's also worth stating that those bound for Auschwitz and other concentration camps were the comparatively lucky ones as they weren't death camps. Treblinka, Sobibor and the like were places where all bar a tiny tiny minority survived no more than an hour or two.

    The uprising at Treblinka is one of the most inspiring and fascinating stories of the entire war. There is a documentary on Treblinka here. Its as bleak as our humanity has ever been but it's an incredibly engaging watch and I think we all have a duty to remember in our own ways.

    https://youtu.be/x-lKa35g7hA?si=K38En3df59xw8GLZ
    Can I ask you (and others here) if they have visited Auschwitz and Birkenau and:

    1. Did it alter their perspective on what happened back then?

    2. Did it leave them feeling that people who could visit these places should do this at least once in their lives?

    3. Did the experience change their opinion on what evil could look like?

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    Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Memorial and Museum in Jerusalem, is a sobering experience for anyone who will visit it. During the Holocaust 1,500,000 Jewish children were systematically murdered. Their only crime was that they were Jewish.

    May their memory be a blessing.

    The Children's Memorial at Yad Vashem is harrowing:

    https://youtu.be/BsJqKdN9B3A?si=xEqID6Ieu9KJaOFz

    https://youtu.be/O7I84JLrjD0?si=_GycF3XaUxMshDAU

    StT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Can I ask you (and others here) if they have visited Auschwitz and Birkenau and:

    1. Did it alter their perspective on what happened back then?

    2. Did it leave them feeling that people who could visit these places should do this at least once in their lives?

    3. Did the experience change their opinion on what evil could look like?
    1. I knew a great deal about German history before I visited Auschwitz so it didn't change my perspective.

    2. I wouldn't be so prescriptive although I understand the sentiment.

    3. I don't have a concept of what 'evil looks like' but some of the greatest 'evil' acts in history were, and indeed still are, carried out by those following an overarching collective dogma.

    Visits to Hiroshima and The Killing Fields were also very sobering.

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    "Man has dominated man to his injury".
    A truism that hasn't changed over thousands of years.
    No amount of education will stop this.
    It is a fact of life.
    Hardly a day goes by without us hearing news of man's inhumanity to man, sometimes on our doorstep.
    There is no solution.
    Even now in Britain and the US (let alone in Ukraine and the Middle East - the list is long) decisions are being made by governments which ruin people's lives.
    "Man has dominated man to his injury"

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Can I ask you (and others here) if they have visited Auschwitz and Birkenau and:

    1. Did it alter their perspective on what happened back then?

    2. Did it leave them feeling that people who could visit these places should do this at least once in their lives?

    3. Did the experience change their opinion on what evil could look like?
    1. No. I'd already read 'If This Is A Man' by Primo Levi (an incredible read), seen all the documentaries and films like Schindler's List, The Pianist etc. so already had a pretty informed perspective.

    2. I think so, yes. Simply because of the immediacy of the environment. It's not a book you can put down or a film you can turn off, being there forces you to seriously think about where you are and what you're seeing.

    3. One of the biggest things that struck me there was seeing the bureaucracy of it. There are numerous documents (invoices, memos, inventories etc.) on display that really force home how clinical and 'professional' the whole thing was, as if they were running a business. To them, these human beings were literally numbers, targets to be met, processes to be streamlined and made more efficient. How on earth do you reach that point of normalcy?

    An interesting side note to visiting is seeing how other people react to it. Most people have some sense of respect and decorum, some are visibly upset. Some just see it as a tourist attraction. But I saw one guy repeatedly taking photos in the crematorium (despite there being several prominent signs telling people not to) and, bizarrely, even saw one group having a cheery family photo in front of one of the rail carts, smiles and all.

    I highly recommend a documentary on Netflix called "Hitler and the Nazis: Evil on Trial". It doesn't exactly break new ground, but it looks more closely at how ordinary people went along with the Nazis in the 1920s and 30s from a modern-day perspective (one of Goebbels' initial slogans was, interestingly, 'Make Germany Great Again'). It also uses AI to recreate William Shirer's original reporting from within Nazi Germany, as well as original audio recordings from the Nuremberg trials. Very interesting and timely documentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Can I ask you (and others here) if they have visited Auschwitz and Birkenau and:

    1. Did it alter their perspective on what happened back then?

    2. Did it leave them feeling that people who could visit these places should do this at least once in their lives?

    3. Did the experience change their opinion on what evil could look like?
    1. No
    2. Yes (and other places, eg Gaza)
    3. No unfortunately evil takes many shapes and forms.

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