Washington Air Disaster

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I sense a lot of what we may incoherently and inconclusively label as "woke" interventionist policies are likely to unravel.

It's one thing to try and open up opportunities for everyone. Quite another to deny people opportunities based on characteristics they have no control over.

There's been a few things recently that I have sensed changing. The wind direction definitely feels different.

Anyway, that's a whole other topic.

Doesn't sound like you know what woke means.

[Joe Gillis]

Have we signed anybody?

[Tuerto]

There is zero interest in the disaster. It's a proxy for the same people to say the exact same things about the exact same person they've been saying for the last few years. It's pointless.

Any deviation from that is criticised.

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Take a look at what you have posted. You know where you want this thread to end up, and you're doing it again with this post. I'll tell you something, you're a nasty piece of work, The mask slipped time ago.

[jeepster]

Doesn't sound like you know what woke means.

No he does not.

[bobh]

Another air crash -
Medical craft crashes into residential area
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg0m5n8g0do

[JamesWales]

Says the person who io being entirely predictable in seeking to justify Trump's gaslighting - Trump, the man who more than once talked about "black jobs" (I suppose they're his idea of positive discrimination) during the election campaign. .

I know it's the hated BBC and it's all about seeming, gathering and feeling these days, but this fact checking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyeg61pnl5o

shows that the number of people with "targeted disabilities" in the FAA almost tripled between the years 2016 to 2023 to the extent that they now make up a whopping 2 per cent of the workforce. During the same period the percentage of white males employed by the FAA dropped from 59 to 55 per cent. As mentioned above, Trump is gaslighting and let's not forget that when he has a go at anything Obama did as President which is still on the statute books, he's drawing attention. to the fact that he did nothing about it during his first term in the White House.

I've said in this thread that at least one Democrat politician blamed Trump in the immediate aftermath of the crash and that's as disgusting at what Trump said, but with power comes responsibility and I'd say every President before this one would consider that before wading in with all guns blazing.

To make out that anyone reacting to Trump's trademark insensitivity is somehow ignoring the tragedy which took place earlier this week is unfair and unjustified - I don't think anyone in this thread is blaming him for what happened, they're reacting to what he appears to see as his main priority post crash.

No it's about actually getting some commentary on some of the issues being discussed as opposed to just the endless repetitive criticism of him.

Everyone agrees his comments were appallingly timed. No one disputes that. His advisers will be telling him that and he probably knows it himself but can't help himself.

But theres numerous reports of hiring policies, court cases, low staff numbers, near misses etc and no one discusses it.. it's just the same tiresome criticism of words. It's so bloody frustrating!

[JamesWales]

Doesn't sound like you know what woke means.

It has several meanings. Which I acknowledged by saying we refer to it incoherently and inconclusively and by writing the word as "woke".

[the other bob wilson]

No it's about actually getting some commentary on some of the issues being discussed as opposed to just the endless repetitive criticism of him.

Everyone agrees his comments were appallingly timed. No one disputes that. His advisers will be telling him that and he probably knows it himself but can't help himself.

But theres numerous reports of hiring policies, court cases, low staff numbers, near misses etc and no one discusses it.. it's just the same tiresome criticism of words. It's so bloody frustrating!

You’re just gaslighting like Trump and don’t give me that stuff about it being frustrating, you love being the contrarian. Is anyone blaming Trump for what happened in this thread? To use that word again, I see a lot of frustration and bemusement as to how a man like Trump (forget politics, I’m talking about his personality) can be re-elected, that’s re-elected, as President of what is still probably the most powerful country in the world?

You’ve told us you would have voted for him (just like you say you’ll vote for Farage) and now you’re trying to turn a thread which was started by someone expressing revulsion at what Trump said and did at that press conference into something else, while trying to convey an impression that you occupy a higher moral ground than those who use this thread for the purpose it was intended.

[lardy]

To be fair to James, I can think of a handful of posters who would be all over this thread if it were on the alternative forum. But they won't touch it on the main forum, so at least he is putting his head above the parapets.

[splott parker]

To be fair to James, I can think of a handful of posters who would be all over this thread if it were on the alternative forum. But they won't touch it on the main forum, so at least he is putting his head above the parapets.

Pity someone doesn’t fire off an accurate shot!

[JamesWales]

You’re just gaslighting like Trump and don’t give me that stuff about it being frustrating, you love being the contrarian. Is anyone blaming Trump for what happened in this thread? To use that word again, I see a lot of frustration and bemusement as to how a man like Trump (forget politics, I’m talking about his personality) can be re-elected, that’s re-elected, as President of what is still probably the most powerful country in the world?

You’ve told us you would have voted for him (just like you say you’ll vote for Farage) and now you’re trying to turn a thread which was started by someone expressing revulsion at what Trump said and did at that press conference into something else, while trying to convey an impression that you occupy a higher moral ground than those who use this thread for the purpose it was intended.

The thread is about the disaster and Trump bringing DEI into it.

No one disputes that Trumps intervention was crass, insensitive and politically unwise etc etc. Everyone has said that. At the very least wait a few days etc etc..

But when you look into it:

There were staff shortages, both on the night and in recent years

The FAA is currently being sued for racial discrimination as 1000 people allegedly didn't get jobs due to their race

https://simpleflying.com/faa-air-tra...cants-lawsuit/

So the point is that maybe there is some truth in and talking about that might be more useful than everyone repeating what has already been said, and what no one disputes?

Trumps words were really bad. But not hiring qualified people due to their bloody skin colour when you have a shortage of air traffic controllers is a damned site worse!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

It has several meanings. Which I acknowledged by saying we refer to it incoherently and inconclusively and by writing the word as "woke".

So what is your meaning of it?

[the other bob wilson]

The thread is about the disaster and Trump bringing DEI into it.

No one disputes that Trumps intervention was crass, insensitive and politically unwise etc etc. Everyone has said that. At the very least wait a few days etc etc..

But when you look into it:

There were staff shortages, both on the night and in recent years

The FAA is currently being sued for racial discrimination as 1000 people allegedly didn't get jobs due to their race

https://simpleflying.com/faa-air-tra...cants-lawsuit/

So the point is that maybe there is some truth in and talking about that might be more useful than everyone repeating what has already been said, and what no one disputes?

Trumps words were really bad. But not hiring qualified people due to their bloody skin colour when you have a shortage of air traffic controllers is a damned site worse!

I think Splott Parker is far better placed to tell us what this thread was intended to be about than you - take away the first sentence and that last paragraph could be Trump talking, you’re doing an awful lot of seeming, gathering and feeling there

[JamesWales]

I think Splott Parker is far better placed to tell us what this thread was intended to be about than you - take away the first sentence and that last paragraph could be Trump talking, you’re doing an awful lot of seeming, gathering and feeling there

Well the thread is called "Washington Disaster" and the opening words are "Trump blames diversity rules..."

So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out.

Nor does it take a rocket scientist to spend five minutes reading a couple of articles to see that actually there may be some truth in what he's saying here. You can have another one there.

https://www.aol.com/faa-embroiled-la...145209229.html

[JamesWales]

So what is your meaning of it?

Id go for the second definition here, particularly the second part of it: "especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme" 👍

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke

But language always changes. I've even noticed another use recently, with some of the younger members of staff in work using it as a bit of a joke term for something bad where they've talked about "that orange tastes woke!" Or "that player is totally woke".

It is interesting how language evolves and means different things to different people, hence describing it as I did earlier.

[splott parker]

Well the thread is called "Washington Disaster" and the opening words are "Trump blames diversity rules..."

So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out.

Nor does it take a rocket scientist to spend five minutes reading a couple of articles to see that actually there may be some truth in what he's saying here. You can have another one there.

https://www.aol.com/faa-embroiled-la...145209229.html

Dear God is there no end to your defence of the likes of Trump? Should I have headed it ‘ Washington Air Disaster, Trump Is A Prick’? Then put no words in the actual post. You do like to twist things to justify your warped views. Then again every is entitled to their opinion, it’s just that yours are invariably disgusting to decent folk.

[the other bob wilson]

Dear God is there no end to your defence of the likes of Trump? Should I have headed it ‘ Washington Air Disaster, Trump Is A Prick’? Then put no words in the actual post. You do like to twist things to justify your warped views. Then again every is entitled to their opinion, it’s just that yours are invariably disgusting to decent folk.

Come on now, be fair - all he’s saying is that he knows better than you why you started this thread.

[splott parker]

Come on now, be fair - all he’s saying is that he knows better than you why you started this thread.

it does beggar belief, doesn’t it.

[William Treseder]

If this disaster had happened in the UK and a family member of mine had perished, i wouldn’t want sympathy or sympathetic words from the prime minister or other politicians, I’d want immediate answers about why it had happened.
Take from that what you want.

[Tuerto]

If this disaster had happened in the UK and a family member of mine had perished, i wouldn’t want sympathy or sympathetic words from the prime minister or other politicians, I’d want immediate answers about why it had happened.
Take from that what you want.

I think that you're saying that you would like to know why it happened? That's what i'm taking from it Bill

[William Treseder]

I think that you're saying that you would like to know why it happened? That's what i'm taking from it Bill

What I mean is, I’m no Trump supporter, but if there is proof of anything he claimed in his remarks, then I’d rather hear that, than gushing sympathy.

[splott parker]

What I mean is, I’m no Trump supporter, but if there is proof of anything he claimed in his remarks, then I’d rather hear that, than gushing sympathy.

So you’d want someone with no idea or evidence of what happened giving a knee jerk warped opinion of the cause?

[the other bob wilson]

What I mean is, I’m no Trump supporter, but if there is proof of anything he claimed in his remarks, then I’d rather hear that, than gushing sympathy.

And I’m sure you will in time, but I wouldn’t trust anything that was claimed in the seventy two hours after the event because it takes a lot longer to come to legitimate conclusions about what happened in an air crash where 67 people I think it was perished with no survivors.

[William Treseder]

So you’d want someone with no idea or evidence of what happened giving a knee jerk warped opinion of the cause?

If it was a family member of yours who perished, like me, I don’t think you’d care what was said by whom in the immediate aftermath.
Of course in time you’d want to know the truth, but it has always galled me when leaders trot out the “At this moment in time, all our thoughts and prayers are with you” guff.
If it were my wife who’d taken her own life in the post office scandal for instance, i wouldn’t want the prime minister to trot out sentimental nonsense, I’d want them to tell me, we will hunt down and jail the perpetrators.

[splott parker]

If it was a family member of yours who perished, like me, I don’t think you’d care what was said by whom in the immediate aftermath.
Of course in time you’d want to know the truth, but it has always galled me when leaders trot out the “At this moment in time, all our thoughts and prayers are with you” guff.
If it were my wife who’d taken her own life in the post office scandal for instance, i wouldn’t want the prime minister to trot out sentimental nonsense, I’d want them to tell me, we will hunt down and jail the perpetrators.

I think you’re way off track here, suggesting other scenarios. This tragedy happened in a country and their ‘leader’ came out with a crass, unsympathetic statement, immediately putting the blame on others with no evidence or proof.
Of course if in such a disaster a loved one of mine passed I’d want answers as soon as possible but one of those answers wouldn’t have been ‘I’m blaming my predecessor’s administration’. Especially when you look at it he was in charge 4-8 years ago and did nothing to change the situation that he’s challenging.