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What evidence do you have to say otherwise?Originally Posted by truthpaste
You stated what you believe to be a fact which was "When you die that is it no trumpets or angels".
What led you to make such a statement without any evidence? Or would you care to edit your original declaration?
Once you have cleared this up then I'll be happy to tell you why I am certain re life beyond 'death'.
All my loved one's who have died,all christian's not one has come back and told me this is the way.
And your proof is it any more convincing than mine?
Well as you've demonstrated, you have no proof for what you declared to be a fact.
Furthermore:-
1. Why would your loved ones come back physically if their spirit & soul had moved into another dimension?
2. Also, I never said I had proof but did say I had certainty.
Let me put it this way, when you jump into an Uber or board a Jumbo Jet then you place your safety and potentially your life in the hands of one individual. Why do over 99% of people choose to do that? While they cannot guarantee the ability or performance of that driver/ pilot, they base that trust on their history, ie their past record up to that point. That is open to scrutiny, while the future is not!
When we look at what Christ said about life after death, that future can't be examined neither can it be proved beyond doubt, but His past record can be examined. Are the words of Christ true in everything else He said, some 2 millenia after he said them? Yes, they are found to be 100% true. So His words ARE reliable, trustworthy and absolutely true; more than this, there was at least a 400 year gap in history between the end of the Old Testament and the arrival of Christ at Bethlehem. In that Old Testament there are no less than 353 individual prophecies about Jesus including where he would be born, many things about his life, the means by which he would die, and the fact that he would rise from the dead.
A study was done that looked at the probability of just EIGHT of those 353 prophecies being fulfilled in one individual, and this short clip explains the likelihood of that happening!
Christ is unique, His Words are true, what He says re Heaven & Hell are true; ignore them if you wish.
You get to decide, and you'll live with that decision for ever.
I have and i will ,no regrets just happy to have lived as long as i have.
Seen my children grow up to be parents city promoted, cup finals and be happy with my life,
No regrets you say. Then your only hope is that Christ is correct about eveything else, but wrong about death & eternity.
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life - Matthew 25:46.
THE SOLUTION He also provided:-
For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life" - John 3:16
But i don'twant to live for ever.
This is all way off the topic of drones, there are other religious threads for this type of discussion. However, linking the two topics together, the mass sighting of drones, orbs and UFOs, which have gone up exponentially since November, led me to YouTube, which I found to be a great source of information on the topic (I have never bothered with YouTube until now apart from following the odd link to watch a specific video).
Researching the topic has led me to conclude that alien life is real and that secret militaries around the world have been backward-engineering captured UFOs since the 1940s. Wider research led me onto things like ancient civilisations and the old topic of remote viewing, which in turn led onto telepathy and other parapsychology. This further led onto the topic of near-death experiences. There are hundreds of testimonies from people on YouTube who claim to have experienced this phenomena. There are many commonalities between all of them including a life review, where they revisit all the incidents in their life that had both a positive and negative impact on other people. The similarities in their stories are startling, but they also differ depending on what type of faith they may have or not. The idea is that your soul/spirit for want of a better term learns from this and then you get reincarnated. But many people believe in the reincarnation trap, which I recommend looking into (it is alien-related according to some). Sounds far-fetched? Interestingly, quantum physicists are now drawing similar conclusions regarding death. That's another topic I have interest in.
To cut a long story short, I'm convinced that death is not the end for us whatever happens after that. I came across an even more far-fetched video, which ties together the history of aliens, ancient civilisations, the Anunnaki, the Bible (including the stories of Adam and Eve, the great flood) and religion (especially Christianity).
And if you think this video is far-fetched (I do), it makes a lot more sense to me than the Christian narrative (Sorry, Truthpaste and Gofer Blue). Just bear in mind that I came across this video after hours of research on the various disciplines and as I said, it does neatly tie a lot of this together.
We will get partial disclosure on aliens and UFOs this year, I have no doubt about that. The genie is already out of the bottle.
You wouldn't have a body anyway. All your physical senses would be rendered meaningless. Food washed down with Chablis will be rendered redundant.
You would be in an environment where only a small minority of the world's former population would reside - and the population would be skewed in favour of those born in certain parts of the world (the orientals being proportionately under-represented).
Jews wouldn't be there in truthpaste's version - as they don't believe that Jesus was a manifestation of the big cheese. Muslims similar.
It could be that your Great Aunt Fanny is there suspended in the ether with you but everyone else in your friendship and family circle may not have made the cut. Eternal bliss may cushion the blow on that score, however.
Every day there would be a new intake of former homo-sapiens but neanderthals won't be seen for dust as they didn't exist. Animals won't be roaming around but it is if great comfort that you can swan around (pun intended) in this state for eternity. Of course, there will be an enormous addition intake when Armageddon takes place - as everyone will be there or will have been binned to eternal hell.
It's not clear what happens after that but I'm sure that the good book can tell us if it's uninterrupted bliss ad infinitum.
I don't really WANT to pay taxes, but the fact is, I have to.
So the issue isn't about what we want, rather, what is.
Why dont you want to pay taxes? I do.
Dont you want to see public services and infrastructure properly funded?
Is selfishness an important part of your outlook - or just an optional add on?
Yes I did feel that it was way off topic, but such questions are fairly rare in this mainly distracted world we live in, so I answered the question and it has run on a bit longer than I anticipated, my apologies - a separate thread wil be created - and thanks for giving me the perfect title for it (in blue above)!
No need to apologise re seeing other viewpoints that you prefer to the Bible; the Bible exposes us for what we are, whereas the Star Trek (and I've been a fan since 1964) style view allows us to be intrigued without such discomfort. It doesn't unfortunately offer a solution, but it does come with something that captures our imagination and a narritive for one potential future.
Question: What specifically led you to conclude that physical death is not the end?
So i do not have a choice?
Answered on the new thread. Please just leave comments on the Drones here. Many thanks.
I was replying to your post on drones.
Those aliens need to be paying their taxes, given the amount of time they're spending on and around our planet.
When were you not a model citizen and a joy to all who engage you?
If only the rest of the world could be more like jon1959, a better world it would be.
There are a lot of us who want to do the right thing for our fellow citizens and for others in need. We dont have to be compelled. It is just human decency and a strong sense of collective responsibility.When were you not a model citizen and a joy to all who engage you?
You on the other hand have spent years telling us that any drive that isnt totally selfish can only come from your made up deity.
As if to prove your point you mock rational good will, you mangle Darwins work (and the work of others that came later - The Selfish Gene is not an argument against humanism) and as a kicker you boast of how unwilling you are to render unto Caesar what is Caesars. A string of own goals.
BTW I am far from a model citizen but I admit to being a joy. Great to see you get something right.
As 'want' is the same as desire, then why do you [or any of us] WANT to do the right thing? Where does that desire come from?
Darwin's original work is ultimately a failure, certainly when tested scientifically; furthermore I've never said that those who sail with you in the good ship antichrist are totally selfish, rather you support anyone and anything that isn't going to point anyone to their greatest need.
My apologies Stevo, while Jon is bringing his joy to this thread, there might be another 'drone' in play.
In that video I posted up thread, it offers another explanation as to why there are gaps in the human evolution story. It also offers an interesting take on the Adam & Eve and Noah's Ark stories.
Ok, I watched the video and I have a page of notes and questions for you, but first of all, have you searched the records of the *Sumerian tablets to verify ANY character (their name or actions) or claim made in the presentation?
*Because I now have done.
Can you point me in the direction of any sources? Thanks
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