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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    We just don't know that. We dont know the terms. I think the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine are the very least of what he wanted and certainly not everything he wanted. We also don't know what it means for prevention of any Russian incursion in the future.

    But you are right. It is peace through appeasement but the alternative is war, potentially a war almost without end and a war that is devastating for Ukraine but also for Europe generally.

    The only alternative is the total defeat of Russia, which seems staggeringly unlikely or the death of Putin which will obviously happen one day but we don't know who would replace him and either way that throw of the dice applies whether you seek peace or not
    I’d say an alternative is talks, and hopefully a peace, where both sides get fair and equal representation - the conservation has shifted to a choice between war or peace on the aggressors, Russia’s , terms.

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    OK, so now we know Trump has had his eye on rare earth minerals in Ukraine. Also it seems Putin is now offering to Trump the mineral deposits which are found within the Ukranian territory captured by Russia! You couldn’t make it up. I suppose it just illustrates the mentality of the pair of them.

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    Trump has just got Starmer to increase defence spending instead of foreign aid.

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    Just seen Trumps video of how Gaza will look.What a sick minded twat.
    All those poor people killed on that land.

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    Zelensky to visit the White House tomorrow.

    Russia met last week.

    It's almost as if the US is speaking to both sides to try and end the war? Heaven forbid of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    Just seen Trumps video of how Gaza will look.What a sick minded twat.
    All those poor people killed on that land.
    Indefensible and sick IMO.

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    What sort of person would post something like this?



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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    What sort of person would post something like this?


    Some senile, deranged sex offenders?

  11. #9986

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    No suprise to see the Tate brothers getting the Proud Boys red carpet treatment.

    They're on child grooming charges right ? Assume Musk has already called for an inquiry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    What sort of person would post something like this?
    A dictator?

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    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...v-saudi-arabia

    In his first month in office, Donald Trump destroyed federal agencies, fired thousands of government workers and unleashed dozens of executive orders. The US president also found time to try to broker an agreement between two rival golf tournaments, the US-based PGA Tour and the LIV Golf league, funded by Saudi Arabia.

    If concluded, the deal would directly benefit Trump’s family business, which owns and manages golf courses around the world. And it would be the latest example of Trump using the presidency to advance his personal interests.


    Who would have thunk it!

  14. #9989

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    If only other world leaders were just as productive, eh?

    God bless America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...v-saudi-arabia

    In his first month in office, Donald Trump destroyed federal agencies, fired thousands of government workers and unleashed dozens of executive orders. The US president also found time to try to broker an agreement between two rival golf tournaments, the US-based PGA Tour and the LIV Golf league, funded by Saudi Arabia.

    If concluded, the deal would directly benefit Trump’s family business, which owns and manages golf courses around the world. And it would be the latest example of Trump using the presidency to advance his personal interests.


    Who would have thunk it!
    I wonder if in the last 8 years or so there has been a single balanced commentary piece in the guardian about the current American president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I wonder if in the last 8 years or so there has been a single balanced commentary piece in the guardian about the current American president?
    I don't know about the Guardian, but there certainly hasn't been one from you - and that is 18 years!


    Do you really not think Trump is using the Presidency to enrich himself?

  17. #9992

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I don't know about the Guardian, but there certainly hasn't been one from you - and that is 18 years!


    Do you really not think Trump is using the Presidency to enrich himself?
    My comments and thoughts on him are pretty balanced and sane really.

    No, I don't think his primary aim is to enrich himself, nope. Certainly no more than politicians generally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...v-saudi-arabia

    In his first month in office, Donald Trump destroyed federal agencies, fired thousands of government workers and unleashed dozens of executive orders. The US president also found time to try to broker an agreement between two rival golf tournaments, the US-based PGA Tour and the LIV Golf league, funded by Saudi Arabia.

    If concluded, the deal would directly benefit Trump’s family business, which owns and manages golf courses around the world. And it would be the latest example of Trump using the presidency to advance his personal interests.


    Who would have thunk it!
    He's got the World Cup and Olympics too, what a grifter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I wonder if in the last 8 years or so there has been a single balanced commentary piece in the guardian about the current American president?
    What are they saying that isnt true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    What are they saying that isnt true?
    It's just the same relentless neverending negativity all the time. Its so completely one sided. No attempt ever made to reach out or see things from the other side, or actually try to understand the appeal and tactics or thinking of the man (which admittedly isn't always easy!

    It's no different to the Daily Mail and Corbyn. It's not real life. It's kinda pointless reading that stuff.

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    Thoughts on the Starmer/Trump meeting?

    Newsnight says Downing Street are ecstatic. They did seem to get on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    My comments and thoughts on him are pretty balanced and sane really.

    No, I don't think his primary aim is to enrich himself, nope. Certainly no more than politicians generally.
    Trump's whole life has been about making money. For decades that has been the persona he's tried to build, even though he hasn't always been successful at it. Other than the Epsteiny things, that's what people associate most with him.

    He's unlikely to change in his 70s. Getting the government to pay overpriced rooms for all his detail to stay unnecessarily at his private property every other week is just one example of him enriching himself. There's no doubt that he is, at best, enriching himself more than the average politician.

    So I would disagree that paragraph 2 is balanced (or same).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Trump's whole life has been about making money. For decades that has been the persona he's tried to build, even though he hasn't always been successful at it. Other than the Epsteiny things, that's what people associate most with him.

    He's unlikely to change in his 70s. Getting the government to pay overpriced rooms for all his detail to stay unnecessarily at his private property every other week is just one example of him enriching himself. There's no doubt that he is, at best, enriching himself more than the average politician.

    So I would disagree that paragraph 2 is balanced (or same).
    Wow, it only took one month for LTDS (lardy trump derangement syndrome) to kick in. Trump must be stupid, he could have got his son onto the board of a Ukrainian company and watched the billions rolling in while playing golf every day, instead of allegedly scamming a few thousand bucks on room rentals

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    It's just the same relentless neverending negativity all the time. Its so completely one sided. No attempt ever made to reach out or see things from the other side, or actually try to understand the appeal and tactics or thinking of the man (which admittedly isn't always easy!

    It's no different to the Daily Mail and Corbyn. It's not real life. It's kinda pointless reading that stuff.
    So, essentially, you were just airing your own biases - I tried asking a few weeks back for things that Trump has done to improve the lot of the average MAGA voter in his first term and so far in this one and cannot recall getting a reply because nothing obvious springs to mind to me.

    You’ve seemingly conceded that nothing the Guardian said was wrong, yet are complaining about their negativity. Well, from where I’m standing there’s nothing to be positive about when it comes to Donald Trump’s presidency. If we end up with a peace in Ukraine which does not involve them getting trampled over then that’ll be a definite tick in the box for him, but it seems the main reason he won was because voters trusted him more on the economy than the Democrats and there’s been little to justify that decision so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Thoughts on the Starmer/Trump meeting?

    Newsnight says Downing Street are ecstatic. They did seem to get on..
    Starmer performed well. They clearly prepared extensively for that and the one two of Macron (a more natural politician) into Starmer seems to have worked well. Obviously if I look at it at face value it makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit but we have to play the game.

    This meeting was about survival, whether they actually end up close enough for Starmer to exert even the tiniest bit of influence over Trump is another matter entirely. I think I've reached the point where I can't see any point in caring about what Trump does domestically so long as his desperate goons (mostly Musk and Vance) quit the stream of fear mongering and interfering in UK politics/society.

    As for negativity, one thing I do admire about Trump is how much of a natural he is. I have to admit that I was chuckling at the answer to the 'is zelensky a dictator?' question, where he said 'did I say that? I can't believe I said that'. It's shocking that he can get away with that, it doesn't even *seem* like a U-turn and he was so comfortable answering such a difficult question.

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