Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
I think zelensky was very brave to deal with those idiots

He wanted assurances that if putin broke any agreement there would be military support of some kind

Putin has broken deal after deal , cease fire after cease fire

If the press conference was just a sort of meet and greet then trump and his crew should have made sure that was the style

Zelensky is clearly not an experienced ......arse licker ......world politican etc but fair play to him he wasn't fooled by trump and his silver tongue

It's clearly unacceptable for America to say this is how it's going to be then get stroppy when another country won't bow down

Trump is not as great as he thinks he is ....Ukraine was invaded by putin and Ukraine has lost many people defending itself

But trump just sits there and talks about putin as if he's dealing with two schoolkids ?

Putin is a murdering dictator so he should be treating zelensky with respect not patronising him or telling him he should be grateful ?

Ff sake America has always got involved in wars , they are in no position to tell a country invaded by another that they should be grateful or are demanding too much .....incredible

This nonsense could be sorted by a small peacekeeping force led by America but also involving Europe

Easy
Putin is despicable and no matter the justifications of some people started this war and has conducted it in a brutal fashion bombing schools and hospitals.
I went to the Russian embassy the day of the invasion to protest.

I hope that he rots in hell.

I am glad that Europe and the US provided financial and military aid to help Ukraine stand up against the tyranny.

This war though, cannot continue as it is.
It pains me to say that Ukraine is not going to win.
A brokered ceasefire then steps to peace are its best hope of surviving as a nation.

Zelensky handled this conference woefully.
The first 40 minutes were fine even though he was agitated and kept trying to negotiate and dictate terms on security in front of the world’s cameras.
I believe at one point he may have called Vance a “bitch” in Ukrainian.
He may well have thought that, but he was incredibly undiplomatic even before the spat.
The guy is clearly under immense pressure but he messed up in my opinion.

Vance was awful, he shouldn’t have even been there and was incredibly unstatesmanlike.
Then Trump jumped in showing that he is thin skinned and displayed a huge lack of composure.

The Mineral deal is unjust IMO.
A country gets invaded and then has to sign over part of its natural resources for security.
It’s awful, but it’s the world we live in unfortunately.

People who hate Trump are going to lay the blame at his door.
People who love Trump are going to defend him and blame Zelensky and talk about missing money etc…

My take is that all three handled the situation terribly and there is no way back to the table for Zelensky. I do believe that a new leader will be elected after this.
Maybe that is what the administration wanted out of this conference being live on air rather than behind closed doors, maybe not.

Sadly, the only winner out of this is Vladimir Putin.