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  1. #10201

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I never said he did. It's an illustration for people who think the world is a disaster, Trump is a disaster, everything is awful etc that it isn't the case.

    But if people are going to talk about how Russia/Ukraine is such a disaster under Trump (who is trying to end it) then by extension they should review what happened under the last guy.

    Doing so comes to a far more rational conclusion than what we normally see written about Trump
    Ah so you were being facetious, that didn’t come across in your post and almost seemed like you actually believed Biden was solely to blame for those incidents. Something that a self proclaimed “both sides” fence sitter wouldn’t believe in.

    Glad that’s been clarified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Ah so you were being facetious, that didn’t come across in your post and almost seemed like you actually believed Biden was solely to blame for those incidents. Something that a self proclaimed “both sides” fence sitter wouldn’t believe in.

    Glad that’s been clarified.
    Of course he wasn't solely to blame. That is my entire point. Some of you are fixated on Trump being awful for everything but do not apply the same logic to the others. I was trying to illustrate how ridiculous that stance is.

    Seems we got there in the end.

    And I don't sit on the fence on this. I just think people who only see things in hyperbolic black and white terms are ridiculous. That's not the same thing.

  3. #10203

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Of course he wasn't solely to blame. That is my entire point. Some of you are fixated on Trump being awful for everything but do not apply the same logic to the others. I was trying to illustrate how ridiculous that stance is.

    Seems we got there in the end.

    And I don't sit on the fence on this. I just think people who only see things in hyperbolic black and white terms are ridiculous. That's not the same thing.
    You seem to believe all this nonsense about Trump the Nobel Peace Prize winner. All that has happened is that he has withdrawn the support previously given to Ukraine and, not only that the USA are now making Russia’s task easier for them thereby putting more lives at risk (American tourists were injured when the Ukrainian hotel they were staying in was bombed by Russia). America is now voting with the likes of Belarus and North Korea in UN votes condemning the Russian invasion - all Trump the peacemaker has done is changed which side his country is on.

  4. #10204

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    You seem to believe all this nonsense about Trump the Nobel Peace Prize winner. All that has happened is that he has withdrawn the support previously given to Ukraine and, not only that the USA are now making Russia’s task easier for them thereby putting more lives at risk (American tourists were injured when the Ukrainian hotel they were staying in was bombed by Russia). America is now voting with the likes of Belarus and North Korea in UN votes condemning the Russian invasion - all Trump the peacemaker has done is changed which side his country is on.
    Not at all, but I do welcome that he is talking about peace and I think that in turn leads to others doing so too, in a sense that the narrative has shifted somewhat.

    I also view it as a requirement to speak to both sides to achieve it. I don't like his tone and language on it, but I think there's a bigger picture here and I think he can play a positive role there.

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    Peace. But at what cost?

  6. #10206

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    Peace. But at what cost?
    Hitler could have pushed for peace after every single Jewish had been killed and Russia became a German province. Could he have qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize?

  7. #10207

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    Trump is a tosser of the highest order and a very dangerous man

    Firstly he and his lover boy slag off zelensky

    Then yesterday after much background work by others he was saying he was optimistic of a " deal " ....on his and Russian terms obviously

    Today he's commenting " I am finding it very hard to deal with Ukraine " in that pathetic , scowling way of his

    A world statesman , washing dirty laundry in public like an old ponce

    I cannot believe anyone is giving this moron slack , he's completely unpredictable and worryingly surrounded by other nutters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Hitler could have pushed for peace after every single Jewish had been killed and Russia became a German province. Could he have qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize?
    Probably if it was in this day and age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Trump is a tosser of the highest order and a very dangerous man

    Firstly he and his lover boy slag off zelensky

    Then yesterday after much background work by others he was saying he was optimistic of a " deal " ....on his and Russian terms obviously

    Today he's commenting " I am finding it very hard to deal with Ukraine " in that pathetic , scowling way of his

    A world statesman , washing dirty laundry in public like an old ponce

    I cannot believe anyone is giving this moron slack , he's completely unpredictable and worryingly surrounded by other nutters
    100% I'm amazed people can't see through this tosspot

  10. #10210

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Not at all, but I do welcome that he is talking about peace and I think that in turn leads to others doing so too, in a sense that the narrative has shifted somewhat.

    I also view it as a requirement to speak to both sides to achieve it. I don't like his tone and language on it, but I think there's a bigger picture here and I think he can play a positive role there.
    He’s talking about peace, but America have to be given valuable rare earth minerals, not required by the previous administration, for them to operate in the way they have done for the past three years. There’s a name for what Trump is now trying to enforce and it’s protection racket “ the gangsters who operate them are looking for peace as well, but only on their terms,

  11. #10211

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Trump is a tosser of the highest order and a very dangerous man

    Firstly he and his lover boy slag off zelensky

    Then yesterday after much background work by others he was saying he was optimistic of a " deal " ....on his and Russian terms obviously

    Today he's commenting " I am finding it very hard to deal with Ukraine " in that pathetic , scowling way of his

    A world statesman , washing dirty laundry in public like an old ponce

    I cannot believe anyone is giving this moron slack , he's completely unpredictable and worryingly surrounded by other nutters
    Trump is just being Trump, he can’t help himself, but there are cowards in the Republican Party who have completely changed the nature of their public pronouncements on Ukraine to placate their unpredictable rogue President.

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    'Agent Krasnov'?

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    Presumably Trump is also keen on Europe and UK taking the lead on the Gaza conflict too since we are nearer, oh wait...

  14. #10214

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    Trump = Bone Spurs = Shit house = Putins kitchen because Putin knows the silly orange, narcissistic **** will look to 'make a deal' no matter what cost.

    Don't get me wrong here, the war needs to end but at what cost, leaving a bullying **** putting it on everyone else around him?

    I'm not fussed on Zelensky as it goes mind.

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  16. #10216

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    50 per cent tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium, or should that be aluminum, now

  17. #10217

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    50 per cent tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium, or should that be aluminum, now
    now back to 25%

    we're always told that the markets like consistency and predictability, yet USA trade policy feels like it's being set by a wheel of fortune at the moment.
    I wonder what tomorrow will bring

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    But when will those damn eggs see a cheaper price tag?

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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pastor-charged

    The Texas megachurch founder and pastor Robert Morris has been indicted on five criminal counts of lewd or indecent acts with a child, from incidents that occurred in Oklahoma in the 1980s.

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    Morris was a member of Donald Trump’s spiritual advisory committee and Evangelical Executive Advisory Board during his first presidential term and part of an effort to mobilize conservatives and evangelicals in support of Trump’s 2024 presidential bid. He also hosted an appearance by Trump at Gateway church in June 2020.

    “So I want to thank Pastors Robert Morris and Steve Dulin. They’re great people,” Trump said at the appearance in 2020. Dulin, an elder at the church, resigned following an internal investigation of the abuse and how the church handled it. “Great people with a great reputation. I have to say that. Great reputation. And Gateway church – the team has been incredible in hosting us.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pastor-charged

    The Texas megachurch founder and pastor Robert Morris has been indicted on five criminal counts of lewd or indecent acts with a child, from incidents that occurred in Oklahoma in the 1980s.

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    Morris was a member of Donald Trump’s spiritual advisory committee and Evangelical Executive Advisory Board during his first presidential term and part of an effort to mobilize conservatives and evangelicals in support of Trump’s 2024 presidential bid. He also hosted an appearance by Trump at Gateway church in June 2020.

    “So I want to thank Pastors Robert Morris and Steve Dulin. They’re great people,” Trump said at the appearance in 2020. Dulin, an elder at the church, resigned following an internal investigation of the abuse and how the church handled it. “Great people with a great reputation. I have to say that. Great reputation. And Gateway church – the team has been incredible in hosting us.”
    So, common courtesy doesn't exist in your world because everybody could potentially be an undiscovered rapist, pedo, murderer, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    So, common courtesy doesn't exist in your world because everybody could potentially be an undiscovered rapist, pedo, murderer, etc?
    No need to bring Epstein into this.

    Of course the Don didn't know who he was cuddling up to!

    Of course he didn't.

    He didn't?


    Maybe more about judgement and selected bed fellows than 'common courtesy'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    No need to bring Epstein into this.

    Of course the Don didn't know who he was cuddling up to!

    Of course he didn't.

    He didn't?


    Maybe more about judgement and selected bed fellows than 'common courtesy'?
    I'm guessing there are far more undiscovered wrong uns than those who have already been discovered, so what is the solution? Abandon civil society and move to a low trust society where everybody is guilty until proved innocent? Or maybe they should just make points scoring a criminal offence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm guessing there are far more undiscovered wrong uns than those who have already been discovered, so what is the solution? Abandon civil society and move to a low trust society where everybody is guilty until proved innocent? Or maybe they should just make points scoring a criminal offence
    No need to guess Gluey.

    Just triangulate - like I do.

    You will get there in the end!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    No need to guess Gluey.

    Just triangulate - like I do.

    You will get there in the end!
    Triangulation works, even if it takes 7 years for others to get it on some occasions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    No need to guess Gluey.

    Just triangulate - like I do.

    You will get there in the end!
    A certain section of pundits and thinkers seem to be ok with spreading unsubstantiated stories about democrats and liberal elites engaging in child trafficking and indecency.

    Don't seem to like actual incidents being discussed when it's about their team!

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