Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

[LA Bluebird]

It doesn’t but the few times he’s played, he’s found space without over exerting himself, received the ball from a usually harassed team mate, but invariably has to hang on to it a touch too long due to the lack of intelligent movement by others. Over the last few games he’s made himself available, not by sprinting into space. He just finds room calmly while the others plod around seemingly sticking like glue to their opponents.

As I stated, his absence may be beneficial due to the ‘wavelength’ differences.

It's funny because everything you say here applies for me to Colwill, not to turn this thread into another religious war. Obviously Rambo has earned the benefit of the doubt in his career as he's hit heights that Colwill hasn't and never will, but I do wonder why one gets destroyed for not single handedly changing games while often playing out of position under this manager, and the others inability to change a game get excused away as having crappy teammates.

I do agree with the original premise by the way. He's done, he's not a consistently impactful player even at this level (for whatever reason) and I hope he retires rather than try to play through injury another season. I'd love for him to find a place in the coaching staff under an experienced manager, as unlikely as that might be with the idiots we have running our team.

[splott parker]

It's funny because everything you say here applies for me to Colwill, not to turn this thread into another religious war. Obviously Rambo has earned the benefit of the doubt in his career as he's hit heights that Colwill hasn't and never will, but I do wonder why one gets destroyed for not single handedly changing games while often playing out of position under this manager, and the others inability to change a game get excused away as having crappy teammates.

I do agree with the original premise by the way. He's done, he's not a consistently impactful player even at this level (for whatever reason) and I hope he retires rather than try to play through injury another season. I'd love for him to find a place in the coaching staff under an experienced manager, as unlikely as that might be with the idiots we have running our team.

Colwill is a talent, yes, but whereas Ramsey hasn’t, I don’t recall, been one for the meandering dribbles, it’s a bit of a Colwill trademark. Perhaps he feels he has to do this and not play the killer ball due to the lack of awareness in his team mates. It’s a bit of a dilemma finding Colwill’s best position, it was a bit ridiculous playing him in the role that was asked of him against Luton. His lack of pace was cruelly exposed on times and his lack of aerial ability was found wanting again. When he, unfortunately, found himself in a defensive situation on that one occasion, he shied away, resulting in a Luton goal.

Colwill, whilst, one of our better players has no chance of matching Ramsey’s career but could shine a lot more in more accomplished company. I just wish we had a coach that could pinpoint a defining role and work on that.

[Tuerto]

Yes, he’s done, but my point is that in the games that he’s featured is the lack of ability in the players around him has been to his detriment. The times he’s appeared has really emphasised how poor our squad is. Maybe if he’d have been surrounded by even just 4 or 5 players of decent Championship standard his contribution may have been more fruitful, unfortunately he’s been amongst a pile of shite.

Agreed, but i don't think that having better player around him would stop him getting injured, muscle tears specifically, which finish player off of a certain vintage because they can't recover from them, they're horrendous injuries to sustain after 30.

[splott parker]

Agreed, but i don't think that having better player around him would stop him getting injured, muscle tears specifically, which finish player off of a certain vintage because they can't recover from them, they're horrendous injuries to sustain after 30.

Yep as I said, he’s done, unfortunately.

[Tuerto]

Colwill is a talent, yes, but whereas Ramsey hasn’t, I don’t recall, been one for the meandering dribbles, it’s a bit of a Colwill trademark. Perhaps he feels he has to do this and not play the killer ball due to the lack of awareness in his team mates. It’s a bit of a dilemma finding Colwill’s best position, it was a bit ridiculous playing him in the role that was asked of him against Luton. His lack of pace was cruelly exposed on times and his lack of aerial ability was found wanting again. When he, unfortunately, found himself in a defensive situation on that one occasion, he shied away, resulting in a Luton goal.

Colwill, whilst, one of our better players has no chance of matching Ramsey’s career but could shine a lot more in more accomplished company. I just wish we had a coach that could pinpoint a defining role and work on that.

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though

[Father Dougal]

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though

At least bellamy has made a definitive call with him for wales. Ie he's ignoring him and decided he's not for him. He has given absolutely everyone else a go but not colwill. Players definitely less talented than him are being used.

Fair play to bellamy though. You are right the city managers haven't known what to do with him but they've done colwill no favours by bringing him back all the time. Would have been Kinder to colwill to back him or move him on.

We can't ignore how bad our previous 7 managers have been though. All terrible appointments and none done anything since leaving us. Be fascinating to see what a real manager made of him. I suspect they wouldn't play him to be honest.

[splott parker]

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though

Yep, it’s a dilemma that a few have tried to solve, also there’s the fact that although seemingly being admired by others as well, no other club has taken a punt on him.

Oh and I’m out of the Colwill debate as well, everybody is well intentioned and has their view but it just goes around in circles.

[delmbox]

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though

because if you had your way Colwill would be CLEANING THE TOILETS you MONSTER

[MOZZER2]

I’d say we played our best football this season with David Turnbull in our midfield and he’s going to be back soon apparently - it’ll be asking a lot for him to turn things around, but I’d say he’s been more influential for us than Ramsey in the few games they’ve both managed to play.

yes agree regarding Turnbull

as this board appears to be obsessed with stats these days some one posted some interesting ones on X regarding first team squad

Points we've gained when a player starts a match and the average points we've gained when a player starts during 24/25. No cup ties included.

Top 3 players this season

Cian Ashford = 10 starts , 15 points , Average 1.50
Turnbull = 8 starts , 12 points , Average 1.50
Tanner - 14 starts , 19 poinys , Average 1.35

i won't put up the stats for Kanga

[llan bluebird]

After leaving us and a brief spell at Forest, has Rambo ever played for a non-top-quartile team that expects to win most of its games playing a possession-based game?

As the star signing and a local hero we have gone all out on the possession game, even though, even by championship standards, we don't have the talent for it. Its painful watching some of our players and manager trying it. Ramsey played well for Wales with far better players but it bottomed him.

You can see the class on the ball, but there are so many players we only judge by goals and assists and use it as a stick to beat hem. It's about wins, i don't believe the manager has a clue how to get them with or without Rambo.

[Rjk]

After leaving us and a brief spell at Forest, has Rambo ever played for a non-top-quartile team that expects to win most of its games playing a possession-based game?

As the star signing and a local hero we have gone all out on the possession game, even though, even by championship standards, we don't have the talent for it. Its painful watching some of our players and manager trying it. Ramsey played well for Wales with far better players but it bottomed him.

You can see the class on the ball, but there are so many players we only judge by goals and assists and use it as a stick to beat hem. It's about wins, i don't believe the manager has a clue how to get them with or without Rambo.

at no point have we gone all out on the possession game

[llan bluebird]

at no point have we gone all out on the possession game

I am sure Riza's football CV would include his personal statement: "I am a possession-based manager who believes the keeper is an outfield player. We play the ball through the thirds via our central halfs using combinations of single, double pivots, double boxes, and inverted wingers."

We are crap at it and so late its almost retro.

He is a youth coach where the goal isn't neccassirily wins but player development

[splott parker]

Would help if Riza spoke in understandable English every now and again.

[Tuerto]

Would help if Riza spoke in understandable English every now and again.

They're all at it these days, coaching badges and they all think that they're guru's. He was right about Colwill, he wasn't and out and out wide player, a d I know this might sound controversial, but plenty of fans don't understand tactical play or formations, Including myself, but what fans can see is when things just aren't working, they might not be technical, but they can see when things are going down the shitter, players aren't looking right in certain formations etc. Riza says that he takes responsibility, no shit, of course he does, he has no choice but too, what he doesn't do, like so many others, is say where he got things wrong.

[goats]

Could Aaron Ramsey’s absence actually be a benefit for the rest of the season? I know that won’t be a popular idea with some, but I believe it might be.

Ramsey has started six Championship games this season and also made two lengthy sub appearances. The team’s record with him in it is appalling:

P 8, W 0, D 3, L5, GF 5, GA 16, Pts 3

Ramsey’s absence will give Omer Riza and his coaching staff fewer options in the centre of midfield and, as odd as this might sound, I reckon that may prove a plus-point. Riza seemingly can’t resist tinkering with the starting line-up on a regular basis and there’s no doubt in my mind that’s a significant part of the problem.

Ramsey has shown the occasional touch of class during his eight league appearances, but generally he’s looked well off the pace. He hasn’t had anything like the sort of positive influence everyone hoped he would and his habit of regularly conceding possession has been an accident waiting to happen. I reckon that, on balance, the team will probably be better off without him.

Seemed like a good idea, but him playing has been a disaster. It doesn’t seem like he’s even able to influence and inspire the team when not playing…maybe a decent under 18 or 21 coach but I’d say that’s in the balance but that’s the only role I’d say he should try now.

[splott parker]

They're all at it these days, coaching badges and they all think that they're guru's. He was right about Colwill, he wasn't and out and out wide player, a d I know this might sound controversial, but plenty of fans don't understand tactical play or formations, Including myself, but what fans can see is when things just aren't working, they might not be technical, but they can see when things are going down the shitter, players aren't looking right in certain formations etc. Riza says that he takes responsibility, no shit, of course he does, he has no choice but too, what he doesn't do, like so many others, is say where he got things wrong.

It’s all a bit smoke & mirrors though when they wriggle out of things with the ‘clever technical jargon, that, of course, you fans won’t understand’ shite.

You’re a spread and no doubt you’ve come across poorly built ‘tower of Pisa’ walls. The customer doesn’t really want to know the intricacies of dubbing out, thinner & thicker scratch coats, Unibonding for adhesion, building up each coat gradually to eventually get a flat, plumb finish etc. Explaining all that to him would seem as though you’re panning it out to get more credit and impress him with the fluent bollocks that you’re aware of but he has no clue. All he wants is the final bit of my earlier description, a flat, plumb finish.

We fans, or the ones I knock around with, glaze over when losing coaches/managers spout what is really an admission of failure of their scientific shite. They can keep their ‘in’ talk to the tradesmen (the players), we the fans (or customers as I keep getting told) want a nice, flat, plumb finish, ie defending from our defenders, goals from anywhere and a few wins with honest effort and no ‘I’m cleverer than you’ bollocks from the bloke in charge because he’s digging a bigger hole and making an utter c*nt of himself.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

It’s all a bit smoke & mirrors though when they wriggle out of things with the ‘clever technical jargon, that, of course, you fans won’t understand’ shite.

You’re a spread and no doubt you’ve come across poorly built ‘tower of Pisa’ walls. The customer doesn’t really want to know the intricacies of dubbing out, thinner & thicker scratch coats, Unibonding for adhesion, building up each coat gradually to eventually get a flat, plumb finish etc. Explaining all that to him would seem as though you’re panning it out to get more credit and impress him with the fluent bollocks that you’re aware of but he has no clue. All he wants is the final bit of my earlier description, a flat, plumb finish.

We fans, or the ones I knock around with, glaze over when losing coaches/managers spout what is really an admission of failure of their scientific shite. They can keep their ‘in’ talk to the tradesmen (the players), we the fans (or customers as I keep getting told) want a nice, flat, plumb finish, ie defending from our defenders, goals from anywhere and a few wins with honest effort and no ‘I’m cleverer than you’ bollocks from the bloke in charge because he’s digging a bigger hole and making an utter c*nt of himself.

Agreed!

I'm not interested in false 9s (or is it a 10?), box formations etc.

Give me a plumb-finish at the final whistle and we'll all be happy!

[The Lone Gunman]

As expected, the Luton debacle has turned out to be Ramsey’s final game of the season. It’ll be a sad way for him to have ended his Cardiff City playing career, but I hope it was his last game for us. Offering him a new contract for next season would be farcical under the circumstances.

[Enoch Mort]

As expected, the Luton debacle has turned out to be Ramsey’s final game of the season. It’ll be a sad way for him to have ended his Cardiff City playing career, but I hope it was his last game for us. Offering him a new contract for next season would be farcical under the circumstances.

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It is sad way to end his time with us. In some respects the word “career” seems to be a bit of an exaggeration although literally correct. He only managed 40 or so games for us in his 3 spells. He was a marvellous player for both Arsenal and Wales and, much as we might love him to bits, you might argue his major contribution to CCFC was earning us £4m+ in a transfer fee in 2008 when we desperately needed it. Sadly, his final spell with us was a costly gamble that did not pay off. You would like to think that there was a coaching opportunity with us at the normal going rate within the Club Establishment but a playing contract is, in my view, out of the question

[D. Advocaat]

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It is sad way to end his time with us. In some respects the word “career” seems to be a bit of an exaggeration although literally correct. He only managed 40 or so games for us in his 3 spells. He was a marvellous player for both Arsenal and Wales and, much as we might love him to bits, you might argue his major contribution to CCFC was earning us £4m+ in a transfer fee in 2008 when we desperately needed it. Sadly, his final spell with us was a costly gamble that did not pay off. You would like to think that there was a coaching opportunity with us at the normal going rate within the Club Establishment but a playing contract is, in my view, out of the question

Thats's a fair and objective summary. A fantastic player for Arsenal and Wales but hardly a City legend in playing terms.

[Rjk]

Thats's a fair and objective summary. A fantastic player for Arsenal and Wales but hardly a City legend in playing terms.

no, but he's a local lad who made it to the top - of course the fans will think fondly of him.

He's done more for us than Jude Bellingham did for Birmingham and they've retired his shirt number

[splott parker]

Thats's a fair and objective summary. A fantastic player for Arsenal and Wales but hardly a City legend in playing terms.

Didn’t fancy managing him then?