Reply With QuoteI get why they are doing it, not sure how successful it will be though. What doesnt make sense is a Welsh council putting up pitch hire costs by around 70%!! How will that encourage exercise through team sport?
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Chocolate, sweets, sugary drinks and pastries should be on shelves that can only be approached by squeezing through narrow gaps between vertical poles.
Smokers should have to go up three floors to buy their baccy and without using a lift.
I get why they are doing it, not sure how successful it will be though. What doesnt make sense is a Welsh council putting up pitch hire costs by around 70%!! How will that encourage exercise through team sport?
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Well said.
When Westminster decides to fund local authorities properly, perhaps things like this will change. Sadly, cuts from Westminster keep happening, and that makes up a large amount of their income. Council tax makes up less than a fifth of their income, so while that goes up it appears that councils get more money and still cut services, yet the truth is their income goes down overall year on year. Very few realise this.
It is a total waste of politicians time that will achieve nothing whatsoever.
What mostly frustrates me about this crap is that it always penalises in person shopping which by definition is far healthier in terms of calorie burning etc.
Anyone can sit at home and order what they like on the internet. The WG have actively encouraged people to sit on their arses at home instead of coming into work, they discourage visiting city and town centres via parking charges not realizing no one needs to visit them anymore.
It's a waste of time and it's symbolic of a clueless government incapable of solving a single thing they are tasked with.
And thats why they need more MS's (something I'm not opposed to btw) to come up with more utterly pointless things like this that make not a jot of difference just slightly inconveniencing people.
Lidl and Aldi stopped sweets at counters years ago btw. Are their average shoppers healthier? Not in my experience.
Getting rid of BOGOF deals will just hit the poor who god forbid may want to treat their children from time to time. The rich don't rely on such details.
Exactly this. Down by 27% since 2010, so councils only have the options of cutting services or raising council tax and/or business rates. People are generally too quick to blame their local council without seeing the bigger picture.
True, but it also is not the case that Westminster (or the Welsh Govt) is just sat there withholding money that they have and choosing to be mean.
There is a lot going on. It's not a simple battle between Central and local govt. Labour peddled that line when the Tories were in power but the same is happening now (and will continue).
Things are going to get worse too I fear.
Well to be fair James, while I dont agree with a lot of your sentiment normally, you do generally have a reasoned argument. Ive got to say on this the only thing you mention thats relevant to the post ie that It is a total waste of politicians time that will achieve nothing whatsoever is based on nothing other than your opinion.
It doesnt penalise in person shopping, unless you can tell me how? In what way is someone penalised? You say that anyone can sit at home and order what they like, but you can go to the shop and buy what you like. In a different aisle?
This isnt online v instore shopping. If we were to compare those then it would be the equivalent of having popups for McCoys every two seconds while youre doing your online shop.
Im aware that Lidl and Aldi stopped sweets at the tills a long time ago, but Im not convinced youve based your experience of them not being healthier on anything? But one thing is for sure, their customers have bought less shit at the checkout.
Getting rid of BOGOF doesnt hit the poor. BOGOF deals encourage people to buy more of the shit they dont need. Do you see them on apples, chicken etc? Im all for giving the kids a treat, and you can equally buy them at a better price elsewhere rather than BOGOF.
I just think that any small change that encourages a healthier country is a good thing, especially if it helps people who might genuinely not know whats necessarily bad for them, or to what extent.
Some people just dont like having their sweets moved
Thank you for the first comments, I do try!
I think it's a waste of time in several respects;
1/The senedd should have far better things to do
2/ I don't think it works. As you say, people will just get it anyway. In many cases they may end up buying more. Personally I don't tend to go down those aisles at all with kids but may buy them the odd treat at the counter
3 / Banning bogofs absolutely will hit the poorer more. We all like a treat and like to treat our kids sometimes, why should people be penalized for having less money? I have far far less of an issue with removing sweets from tills, it's how it's wrapped up in this nannying crap that annoys me
4 / I do view this as yet another little burden on in-person stuff and I think physical interactions and mixing is critical for mental and physical wellbeing. This is of course a far lesser example of this than many policies. I would be encouraging in-person shopping, not making it harder.
5 / Is there any evidence this will work? I don't believe it. We live more and more sedentary lives, we aren't burning the calories we consume and living in Wales feels increasingly depressing. There are a hundred other things to focus on than this.
I know BTL comments are notoriously lively and not necessarily representative but they are scathing here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/...3yq0o#comments
My favourite comment is probably this one:
"We could be losing our leisure centres in Denbighshire and yet their is an emphasis on getting kids to lose weight." (liked 91 times, disliked 5 times).
I know you can walk and chew gum at the same time, but this kind of thing just makes me realise how utterly inept and incapable our politicians in Cardiff Bay are.
Supermarkets have been playing mind games with consumers for years, trying to influence our purchasing decisions. Their only motivation is profit as they couldn't give a hoot about our health. Now that the government are trying to do something about it, for our benefit, people don't like it.
Nice to see you caring about the poor Jim, fair play.
Always have, always will.
Man of the people......
Steady on now
It does work. I picked up a twirl today as I walked past the counter, which I had no intention of buying. I wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't there. This is a good thing, it only serves to benefit Tesco etc and turn me into a fat(ter) bar steward. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it
Don’t forget the parents with little kids who have to pass through all that junk.
Love a twirl.It does work. I picked up a twirl today as I walked past the counter, which I had no intention of buying. I wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't there. This is a good thing, it only serves to benefit Tesco etc and turn me into a fat(ter) bar steward. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it
Let's see you do one on video then
More baseless opinion while criticising the lack of evidence that itll work. You say yourself that the country is getting more and more unhealthy yet you seem really overly upset by something that is trying, albeit a baby step, to affect that.
This isnt intended as a major step to suddenly
Make everyone skip around Tesco. But small reductions in the rubbish people eat will help.
As an aside you seem think BOGOF is some sort of goodwill gesture by the supermarkets. These come on when a manufacturer or supplier is offering a deal to the supermarket and if you look closely, when a BOGOF is offered somewhere, there is a reduced price version somewhere at around the same time or near to it. It they cant do BOGOF theyll all do the reduced price promo instead. Rather than buying more than they need.
Lets all remember in the hysteria that sweets, chocolate and crisps arent leaving us
You are overreacting.
Maybe you're not aware but government does look at more than one issue at a time.
This is a non story, its not the nanny state, its the government saying "lets try and help people be more healthy. however, by all means if you want a snack, have it, stuff your grid full of sugar, but we'll move it out of the way so its less of an impulsive purchase".
Will it work, who knows? but its better than doing nothing as we're a nation of lard arses and its getting worse.
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I agree with Mr James MS that it is simplistic "nanny state nonsense".
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