Centre halves

[Don Corleone]

Noticeable that Derby had 3 big very experienced centre halves at the back tonight in Clarke Forsyth and Phillips fighting for every ball

We are so soft at the back. I think Fish will become a decent centre half but in our current situation do we persist with a young ish centre half in his first season of Championship football alongside either a left back or right back as he has been with Bagan and Ng or do we revert to our more experienced centre halves in Goutas and Daland? Problem is they all have a mistake in them .

Riza is guilty of changing our team around too often, especially at the back so he’s got to pick a centre back pairing and stick with them until the end of the season , I’m thinking maybe we need Goutas and Daland back and Ng and Bagan at full backs, with O Dowda further forward and stick with that 4 at the back for the remaining 7 games to get some consistency and unity.

I’m not sure that’s the answer but we need to somehow start keeping clean sheets as we have a goal threat now with Salech and Davies providing options alongside Robinson and Ashford.

How we could do with a Morrison / Bamba pairing right now !

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Daland is weak as piss. He's a complete disaster, he got hooked 3 times in his last 7 starts. He cannot play again this season. Imagine if we're winning, and he gets brushed off the ball by a stiff breeze and they score. Goutas? Perhaps. Fish couldn't mark an x in a box either, he looses his man constantly.

Riza played Goutas and Daland as a combination for 8 straight games. We kept 1 clean sheet. So, a good situation. We've got to try to outscore the opposition. None of our centre halves are up to Championship football, and Bagan is the only defender I rate, which is something I never thought I'd say

[the other bob wilson]

Derby have kept two clean sheets in their winning run, Luton have two in their last four as well - we have two in our last twenty seven league matches! Not all of that can be put down to our central defenders (right back’s been a disaster area all season), but I’d say the closest we’ve had to a reliable centre back this season has been Joel Bagan - would anyone have believed that back in August?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Noticeable that Derby had 3 big very experienced centre halves at the back tonight in Clarke Forsyth and Phillips fighting for every ball

We are so soft at the back. I think Fish will become a decent centre half but in our current situation do we persist with a young ish centre half in his first season of Championship football alongside either a left back or right back as he has been with Bagan and Ng or do we revert to our more experienced centre halves in Goutas and Daland? Problem is they all have a mistake in them .

Riza is guilty of changing our team around too often, especially at the back so he’s got to pick a centre back pairing and stick with them until the end of the season , I’m thinking maybe we need Goutas and Daland back and Ng and Bagan at full backs, with O Dowda further forward and stick with that 4 at the back for the remaining 7 games to get some consistency and unity.

I’m not sure that’s the answer but we need to somehow start keeping clean sheets as we have a goal threat now with Salech and Davies providing options alongside Robinson and Ashford.

How we could do with a Morrison / Bamba pairing right now !

I think one problem managers have is , when a team is struggling for form, players who haven't done so well always have the potential to be dropped, while there will also be the temptation to look at other formations and styles to find a winning formula.

How often, on here and elsewhere, do you see fans saying players should be dropped or not picked after a poor performance? How often do fans disagree over how to play? Inconsistent or poor form only makes this worse. Imagine we concede 2 in a game for 3 games in a row. Manager gets it if he keeps the same defence game after game and doesn't make changes. Yet we also want a settled centre back pairing for obvious reasons.

It's easy to keep a winning side. It's much harder for any manager at the bottom, and why I think some overthink things. I get why that happens.

[Rjk]

our current pairing of Bagan and Fish must be the youngest centre back pair we've had in a very long time

[Eric the Half a Bee]

our current pairing of Bagan and Fish must be the youngest centre back pair we've had in a very long time

I think when we were last in the bottom division Gabbs was only 21 that season and we had some young players then. Can't remember who used to partner him at the back though.

[Hilts]

I think when we were last in the bottom division Gabbs was only 21 that season and we had some young players then. Can't remember who used to partner him at the back though.

I'm pretty sure in the bottom division Gabbs mainly played as a full back and Rhys Weston played centre half until he moved to right back when we moved up. I think the other CBs we had were Eckhardt , Young and David Hughes.

[Rjk]

I'm pretty sure in the bottom division Gabbs mainly played as a full back and Rhys Weston played centre half until he moved to right back when we moved up. I think the other CBs we had were Eckhardt , Young and David Hughes.

We spent a fair bit on Hughes didn't we? but he immediately got injured

[North Cardiff Blue]

Noticeable that Derby had 3 big very experienced centre halves at the back tonight in Clarke Forsyth and Phillips fighting for every ball

We are so soft at the back. I think Fish will become a decent centre half but in our current situation do we persist with a young ish centre half in his first season of Championship football alongside either a left back or right back as he has been with Bagan and Ng or do we revert to our more experienced centre halves in Goutas and Daland? Problem is they all have a mistake in them .

Riza is guilty of changing our team around too often, especially at the back so he’s got to pick a centre back pairing and stick with them until the end of the season , I’m thinking maybe we need Goutas and Daland back and Ng and Bagan at full backs, with O Dowda further forward and stick with that 4 at the back for the remaining 7 games to get some consistency and unity.

I’m not sure that’s the answer but we need to somehow start keeping clean sheets as we have a goal threat now with Salech and Davies providing options alongside Robinson and Ashford.

How we could do with a Morrison / Bamba pairing right now !

I've been saying this all season, he doesn't know his best back four, it's basics.

[North Cardiff Blue]

I think one problem managers have is , when a team is struggling for form, players who haven't done so well always have the potential to be dropped, while there will also be the temptation to look at other formations and styles to find a winning formula.

How often, on here and elsewhere, do you see fans saying players should be dropped or not picked after a poor performance? How often do fans disagree over how to play? Inconsistent or poor form only makes this worse. Imagine we concede 2 in a game for 3 games in a row. Manager gets it if he keeps the same defence game after game and doesn't make changes. Yet we also want a settled centre back pairing for obvious reasons.

It's easy to keep a winning side. It's much harder for any manager at the bottom, and why I think some overthink things. I get why that happens.

He's a novice, he hasn't got a clue what to do, he's learning on the job.

We had a choice of loads of experienced Managers, I can't remember there ever being such a glut of suitable Managers and Tan appointed Riza, he deserves to lose all his Millions.

[Rjk]

He's a novice, he hasn't got a clue what to do, he's learning on the job.

We had a choice of loads of experienced Managers, I can't remember there ever being such a glut of suitable Managers and Tan appointed Riza, he deserves to lose all his Millions.

We've appointed "experienced" managers before and they've been no better.

and to be fair to Riza we've changed the back 4 so often because they kept dropping absolute clangers. They've all had ample opportunity to stake their claim to a starting position and not taken it.

If Riza felt he could rely on Goutas and Daland as a pairing then Im sure we probably woudn't have seen any of the other players in that position, injury permitting.

As it is, Fish and Bagan have the position, and they've done probably better than anyone else in that position so far this season so credit where it is due.

There could certainly be questions asked of our coaching staff - I believe Tom Ramasut is in charge of the defensive setup, with Purse and Ward involved with set pieces.

Worth noting that Riza inherited Ramasut and Purse and I think Ward and Shaw is the only one he's brought in himself.

[North Cardiff Blue]

We've appointed "experienced" managers before and they've been no better.

and to be fair to Riza we've changed the back 4 so often because they kept dropping absolute clangers. They've all had ample opportunity to stake their claim to a starting position and not taken it.

If Riza felt he could rely on Goutas and Daland as a pairing then Im sure we probably woudn't have seen any of the other players in that position, injury permitting.

As it is, Fish and Bagan have the position, and they've done probably better than anyone else in that position so far this season so credit where it is due.

There could certainly be questions asked of our coaching staff - I believe Tom Ramasut is in charge of the defensive setup, with Purse and Ward involved with set pieces.

Worth noting that Riza inherited Ramasut and Purse and I think Ward and Shaw is the only one he's brought in himself.

None of them have taken us down, Warnock got us promoted, and even Bulut got last year's squad top half.

McCarthy was the worst, but even he had a good solid new Manager bounce and a good start.

Morison, Hudson, and Riza have been a disaster, if you are going to get a novice at least get one with genuine promise.

I don't think we would be in this position if we had appointed an experienced Manager.

[Trigger]

The last time we were in this situation we had Kipre and McGuinness at the back with in form NG sometimes making up a 3. Bamba on the coaching staff.

Philogene and Kaba.

[BLUETIT]

I'm pretty sure in the bottom division Gabbs mainly played as a full back and Rhys Weston played centre half until he moved to right back when we moved up. I think the other CBs we had were Eckhardt , Young and David Hughes.

Plus Lee Baddeley

Forgot Lee Jarman

[the other bob wilson]

I'm pretty sure in the bottom division Gabbs mainly played as a full back and Rhys Weston played centre half until he moved to right back when we moved up. I think the other CBs we had were Eckhardt , Young and David Hughes.

Yes, Gabbs switched to centre ba ck for the 01/02 and scored the winner in hios first game there agsinst Wycombe.

In Gabbs' first season with the club, he played more as a full back/wing back because we switched to three at the back under Alan Cork and it would bne Scott Young plaus one other (Hughes, Andy Jordan, Russell Perrett??) plus Leggy as sweeper.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

None of them have taken us down, Warnock got us promoted, and even Bulut got last year's squad top half.

McCarthy was the worst, but even he had a good solid new Manager bounce and a good start.

Morison, Hudson, and Riza have been a disaster, if you are going to get a novice at least get one with genuine promise.

I don't think we would be in this position if we had appointed an experienced Manager.

Mick has a far better record than any of our managers post Warnock, other than Harris. It's not even close.

We would be in this position with an experienced manager, because our best centre half pairing has a young left back in it, and he's our best defender. We've spent 5m and signed 3 centre halves in the summer, and they're all crap there.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I don't think we would be in this position if we had appointed an experienced Manager.

You're entitled to your opinion, which I reckon in this case is bollocks.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

We've appointed "experienced" managers before and they've been no better.

and to be fair to Riza we've changed the back 4 so often because they kept dropping absolute clangers. They've all had ample opportunity to stake their claim to a starting position and not taken it.

Absolutely.

As I've said before, given that our centrebacks have been making so many mistakes, imagine the outcry if Riza kept picking the same ones? I can imagine the comments:

"inexperienced crap manager picking the same useless players"
"how does xxx stay in after those mistakes?"
"ridiculous, 6 conceded in our last 2 games and he picks the same defence"

[North Cardiff Blue]

Mick has a far better record than any of our managers post Warnock, other than Harris. It's not even close.

We would be in this position with an experienced manager, because our best centre half pairing has a young left back in it, and he's our best defender. We've spent 5m and signed 3 centre halves in the summer, and they're all crap there.

Mick was experienced yes, that's what we needed, not a Morison, Hudson, Riza inexperienced coach thrown in at the deep end.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Mick has a far better record than any of our managers post Warnock, other than Harris. It's not even close.

We would be in this position with an experienced manager, because our best centre half pairing has a young left back in it, and he's our best defender. We've spent 5m and signed 3 centre halves in the summer, and they're all crap there.

Are they crap though?

While our defensive issues are evident, managerial experience significantly influences defensive organisation. Managerial changes can impact team performance, with some teams improving and others declining post-change. Burnley, under Scott Parker, have conceded only nine goals in 26 matches, setting a potential record for defensive solidity. Therefore, with an experienced manager adept at organising defences, our current players might perform much better.​

[Hilts]

It's a poor squad mixed with some young players who would give us hope for the future.

Lovely team goal converted by Simic in the week as well.

However appointing Riza has been the final mistake of an utterly useless board which is going to end up with us in L1 and some of those youngsters heading out.

We will be stuck mind with overpaid awful signings from last summer.

L1 next season won't be easy.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Are they crap though?

While our defensive issues are evident, managerial experience significantly influences defensive organisation. Managerial changes can impact team performance, with some teams improving and others declining post-change. Burnley, under Scott Parker, have conceded only nine goals in 26 matches, setting a potential record for defensive solidity. Therefore, with an experienced manager adept at organising defences, our current players might perform much better.​

Our best centre half is a left back who was playing in the Belgian 2nd tier last season. Burnley have centre halves worth 10m+. You can only coach someone so much, I don't see how you can coach Daland to be significantly stronger, Fish to switch on etc, this is basic stuff and they can't do it

[Tuerto]

It's a poor squad mixed with some young players who would give us hope for the future.

Lovely team goal converted by Simic in the week as well.

However appointing Riza has been the final mistake of an utterly useless board which is going to end up with us in L1 and some of those youngsters heading out.

We will be stuck mind with overpaid awful signings from last summer.

L1 next season won't be easy.

But apart from all that......

[City123]

Are they crap though?

While our defensive issues are evident, managerial experience significantly influences defensive organisation. Managerial changes can impact team performance, with some teams improving and others declining post-change. Burnley, under Scott Parker, have conceded only nine goals in 26 matches, setting a potential record for defensive solidity. Therefore, with an experienced manager adept at organising defences, our current players might perform much better.​

Yes.

[Rjk]

Yes.

According to Riza he is in charge of the attacking setup he was an attacking player, so that makes sense. the other coaches organise the defence, most of whom he had little say in them being there.