Could we turn the corner with Tan etc in charge?

[the other bob wilson]

Do you think that all this losing face business with Malaysians is a bit of a racial stereotype? I mean, nobody likes losing credibility no matter where they're from.

Im just repeating what was said regarding Tan about a decade ago- I can’t say for sure now, but I have a feeling that the “racial/cultural stereotyping” references originated from Malaysian sources themselves, so, presumably, we’re all right with that?

https://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/313763

It appears as the first thing in this article.

https://mzv.gov.cz/file/1033199/doin...n_malaysia.pdf

[goats]

The first promotion ripped the club apart, it was not a success

Exactly….strange that people think this, we lost a lot of loyal fans who replaced with glory hunters for a few months.

[The Lone Gunman]

It absolutely is a thing, as Des says.

So how is 'saving face' supposed to work?

I ask because of what is happening at Asian-owned clubs such as Blackburn, Sheffield Wednesday, Reading and... Cardiff. There doesn't seem to me to be much face-saving going on at any of those clubs.

[Nobody's Rep]

So how is 'saving face' supposed to work?

I ask because of what is happening at Asian-owned clubs such as Blackburn, Sheffield Wednesday, Reading and... Cardiff. There doesn't seem to me to be much face-saving going on at any of those clubs.

Maybe it involves only showing up when things are going well so you think all is well in the world - a bit like emperors new clothes - just a thought?

Maybe all the games tan watches are some cunning stunt by dalman and co where they show him old games where we have won against the opposition in question

[JamesWales]

Maybe it involves only showing up when things are going well so you think all is well in the world - a bit like emperors new clothes - just a thought?

Maybe all the games tan watches are some cunning stunt by dalman and co where they show him old games where we have won against the opposition in question

Not to be the grammar police or anything but in that second paragraph about Tan, Dalman etc you wrote "cunning stunt" which I assume was a typo. 👍

[Father Dougal]

Maybe it involves only showing up when things are going well so you think all is well in the world - a bit like emperors new clothes - just a thought?

Maybe all the games tan watches are some cunning stunt by dalman and co where they show him old games where we have won against the opposition in question

If they were to edit the efforts of this current team to make it look positive (were stories north korea used to do this not sure it true) then it would take a hell of a lot of editing!!

[Nobody's Rep]

Not to be the grammar police or anything but in that second paragraph about Tan, Dalman etc you wrote "cunning stunt" which I assume was a typo. 👍

Tried to get it through admin to be honest 👍

[Nobody's Rep]

If they were to edit the efforts of this current team to make it look positive (were stories north korea used to do this not sure it true) then it would take a hell of a lot of editing!!

Same issue the pr department will have before the end of season review dvd comes out - apparently they are going to make a special offer of 4 seasons in one - same length as one normal season but costs 4 times less as you only need to buy one dvd 👍

[North Cardiff Blue]

Tan's legacy so far - taking a side that had been challenging for promotion for a few seasons to one set for League 1, almost halving the actual number going to home games in the process. We catastrophically failed to build on both promotions to the Premier League. We've had one of the worst records for losing money in the transfer market in Europe.

So, can we turn a corner and rise up the league again with Tan and those in charge?

No because he won't appoint a Manager, just a old deadbeat, or a coach looking for somewhere to give it a try.

Investing in a top manager isn't just about winning, it's about saving money. Good signings + success on the pitch = huge financial benefits that easily outweigh a higher salary. The manager is the most crucial investment a club can make.

[AfricanBluebird]

Our problem has not been a lack of spending by Vincent Tan.

He keeps doing that, and (unlike Dalman) doesn't take anything out of the club.

Our problem is a lack of leadership, communication, decision making (not just bad decisions; often no decisions at all) and plan. We are a leaderless and directionless club - on and off the pitch.

There are positives with ticket pricing, the Academy, training grounds, Foundation and women's team. But those things barely move the scales.

Relegation will not be a catalyst for changing those fundamental weaknesses. We may well have a different (and maybe better) manager and a team full of home grown players that is competitive in League One (or maybe we won't), but the paralysis and indecision will be the same as long as we have the same ownership and governance structures.

Yes, 100% Jon

I have rebuttalled (sic) many city fans for claiming Tan needs to put his hands in his pockets - no, no and no... not without clear footballing identity, football leadership (DOF, manager & coaches), a strategy and full time directors (CEO, chairperson) at the club.

This season especially, and for many previous ones, the one word which sums us up as a club, both on and off the field, is 'complacency'. And it is that complacency which will send us spiralling into League 1 - and boy do we deserve it.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Yes, 100% Jon

I have rebuttalled (sic) many city fans for claiming Tan needs to put his hands in his pockets - no, no and no... not without clear footballing identity, football leadership (DOF, manager & coaches), a strategy and full time directors (CEO, chairperson) at the club.

This season especially, and for many previous ones, the one word which sums us up as a club, both on and off the field, is 'complacency'. And it is that complacency which will send us spiralling into League 1 - and boy do we deserve it.

It's refusal to appoint a Manager when there were 10 plus available, it's going to cost him a fortune the silly old fool, how he has ever made any money in the first place God only knows.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

So you think it’s balanced? From what he took over?

We were a playoff side when he took over. We're close to being a League 1 side.

Still at least we're a debt free club making a profit every year.

[LA Bluebird]

Any corner turning has to start with putting people who know football in charge. It doesn't have to be a DoF necessarily, but somebody or somebodies at executive level with permanent decision making power who actually understand the game and what it takes to run a successful football club. Until he recognizes he, Dalman, Choo know feck all and have continually pissed money down the drain with whatever the flavor of the month is then nothing else really matters.

Unfortunately, the chances of him doing that after this many years has got to be pretty much zero. For whatever reason he's either unable to recognize it or wants to run things his way regardless. What's the definition of madness again?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

So how is 'saving face' supposed to work?

I ask because of what is happening at Asian-owned clubs such as Blackburn, Sheffield Wednesday, Reading and... Cardiff. There doesn't seem to me to be much face-saving going on at any of those clubs.

As Des says, the entire board resigned when they lost money for one year. For example, in East Asia (and Japan especially), it is incredibly hard to root out corruption because reporting on your boss is deemed more serious than the actual offence and a lack of loyalty. I don't believe Tan gives a toss but it absolutely is a thing in Chinese (and Japanese) culture of which he is a part of. I will say this, and this is discussing it with my wife, the fastest way to lose face is by admitting you've made a mistake...

[Crisp White Lines]

Will Tan change of his own accord? No.

Will Tan’s mother persuade him to change? No.

Will Dalman & Choo get Tan to change? No.

Will the executive team, collectively, get Tan to change? No.

Can we turn a corner with Tan staying as he is? No.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Will Tan change of his own accord? No.

Will Tan’s mother persuade him to change? No.

Will Dalman & Choo get Tan to change? No.

Will the executive team, collectively, get Tan to change? No.

Can we turn a corner with Tan staying as he is? No.

So, what are you trying to say?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Any corner turning has to start with putting people who know football in charge. It doesn't have to be a DoF necessarily, but somebody or somebodies at executive level with permanent decision making power who actually understand the game and what it takes to run a successful football club. Until he recognizes he, Dalman, Choo know feck all and have continually pissed money down the drain with whatever the flavor of the month is then nothing else really matters.

Unfortunately, the chances of him doing that after this many years has got to be pretty much zero. For whatever reason he's either unable to recognize it or wants to run things his way regardless. What's the definition of madness again?

Like Shaun Harvey and Humphrey Ker at Wrexham, at least they have an idea of what's going on.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Like Shaun Harvey and Humphrey Ker at Wrexham, at least they have an idea of what's going on.

Might want to Google Shaun Harvey's track record...