Reply With QuoteHas there ever been an easier decision to make?
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Has there ever been an easier decision to make?
It is easy in one sense. There are clear examples of protections for women being exploited essentially by men who dress as women - people who deserve protections but not necessarily those afforded to all women. Im not sure it clears up people who have had gender reassignment surgery and legally live as women though either does it? Or I may be wrong.
I think the ruling is correctOriginally Posted by JamesWales
That being said its obviously an incredibly tiny amount of trans people ...in this case men dressing as women or who have actually been through male to female procedure ....that are are going to be a danger to women and use toilets or female showers to carry out assaults etc
I think there's a lot of angry anti woke types out there who really don't care about the safety of women in general and are probably a greater threat to to female safety than a bloke in a dress or a bloke who used to be a bloke but is now a woman
i think you are wrong, if you have someone with a 'note' and someone without a 'note' you now have 2 types of 'trans' , it clears it up by saying no 'trans' are women/men
I think if you have undergone surgery, have lived as a woman nearly your whole life etc, then that is wholly different to, essentially, dressing as a woman. It does introduce another grey area, but that's the law for you.
The issue really is self-identification. It was that principle, alongside the 2010 equality act that meant the decision this week was absolutely inevitable.
I haven't read the full legal transcript and the fine details and can't be arsed to just at the moment. However I'm assuming there will be some explanatory definition of what constitutes a "biological" criterion. For example to my untrained eye and simple understanding then someone who undergoes gender reassignment is transformed biologically and should therefore be legally accepted as having changed gender.
But is the definition at the genetic and specifically chromosomal level, in which case gender is considered predetermined at or indeed before birth? To me that raises important philosophical and even psuedo religious questions.
There may indeed be important philosophical and biological issues involved in the minority of cases regarding so-called 'trans' people but I imagine that biological complexities (involving intersex cases, chromosome irregularities etc) only involve a tiny proportion of such a cohort. In the meantime, women should have their private spaces respected. The Law has to fall down somewhere and in this case it seems the best place for it to do so, in my opinion.
Why pipe in when you do not know what you are talking about. I'm guessing you are Hetero (but who knows or cares)
Imagine waking up tomorrow and not feeling sexually attracted to women but to men. How would that feel? and it's not even as simple as that because most trans! yes most, feel that from an early age that they are not born into the right body that fits.
imagine being told at school 'being born in the wrong body' is curable by experimental surgery and life shortening drugs and being encouraged by your teacher to go ahead
Told at school that being born in the wrong body is curable ......by fellow kids ?
Well that's perfectly possible given how sharp kids are these days
But being told this by teachers and encouraged to go ahead ...by teachers ?
You have been reading The Daily Mail too much
There are a lot of drag cross dressers who are straight and have no interest in other men and are happily married or in long term relationships
Are can say what I like. What do you disagree with? And yeah, my sexuality is none of your business whatsoever.
I don't disagree with the substance of what you are saying at all btw, but so you think the supreme court got it wrong then?
i think you'l find the guardian is very proud of the work teachers their union are doing to promote 'trans'
Well I don't read it so I am sure you can provide me with evidence that teachers are encouraging children at schools to go in for surgery regarding changing sex
Probably referring to stuff like this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-lessons.html
There is often more to these stories of course.
It is a difficult one. Some people are transgender. There is no question of it, it's normal in a relatively small number of people and good luck to them. But lots of men are also effeminate and lots of women are also masculine and there is a huge difference between that and being trans and there is a feeling, and some court cases that people have been pushed into life changing gender surgeries and treatments when really they were just more effeminate/ masculine than the average person of their gender.
Ironically it almost cements traditional gender roles by implying effeminate men may be transgender etc.
What was your decision?
merched cymru
I can't access that
Is the article saying that pro trans etc etc teaching was going on and that kids were being supported into surgery etc etc by teachers .....that was actually happening as fact
Or that was the view of the daily mail ?
What's that ?
Peter became Petra
The hipster was previously the hipsteress
you remember you wanted some evidence , remember?
I had to Google what merched means , daughter apparently
Then I realised you had posted the name of something which I then googled and apparently it's a group of ordinary women ...their words ....who are protesting about trans stuff in schools
So it's no surprise that given you are one of that lot ....if your protestations on here , among other subjects , is to be believed ....you have linked to their website ....it would have been a lot easier to have done that but there we go
I think the evidence you think you have provided is a viewpoint and a biased one at that
Where does it state that teachers are brainwashing kids into getting hospital procedures regarding this trans issue ?
can you push 'trans' without advocating medical/ chemical help?
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