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Thread: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

  1. #26

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Colwill is the new Jason Fowler, there's bags of ability there somewhere, shame we only see it briefly and in small spurts. I agree though, I think he'd be better off leaving, I think he needs to be given more responsibility and that can only come playing week in week out. Maybe you then you might see more consistent performances from him

  2. #27

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pug View Post
    Colwill is the new Jason Fowler, there's bags of ability there somewhere, shame we only see it briefly and in small spurts. I agree though, I think he'd be better off leaving, I think he needs to be given more responsibility and that can only come playing week in week out. Maybe you then you might see more consistent performances from him
    Remember when Frank burrows played jason fowler as sweeper when the sweeper system was a thing.

    Maybe colwill should play sweeper?

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    So you'll be seriously pissed off if he's coaching the under 9s? Feels a bit strong
    You know what he means 😂 Ramsey does need to go though, it's all a bit embarrassing now. The management thing isn't on him, although he shouldn't be anywhere near being considered for the job, and he can't play anymore, and that's on him, he needs to stop. Even Joe Allen has had a word with himself this week.

  4. #29

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Colwill is similar to the Brexit debate. You are either all in or all out, and nothing, even time, adjusts your opinion.

    8 "philosophies" in 5 years is insane, ranging from a defensive straitjacket of Bulut to Riza's express yourself in the same season.

    We can all see the talent, and so will loads of scouts at good clubs; we are just not getting an earth-shattering fee.
    He hasn't pace to lose, so he has 10 years ahead of him. He needs to be deeper but with a license to roam. That's not a free pass; it's the toughest job on the team. The new manager needs to know what he wants to do, see if he fits, and not shoehorn him in.
    I think we'd get a million if we let it be known that he is available

  5. #30

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by llan bluebird View Post
    Colwill is similar to the Brexit debate. You are either all in or all out, and nothing, even time, adjusts your opinion.

    8 "philosophies" in 5 years is insane, ranging from a defensive straitjacket of Bulut to Riza's express yourself in the same season.

    We can all see the talent, and so will loads of scouts at good clubs; we are just not getting an earth-shattering fee.
    He hasn't lost any pace, so he has 10 years ahead of him. He needs to be deeper but with a license to roam. That's not a free pass; it's the toughest job on the team. The new manager needs to know what he wants to do, see if he fits, and not shoehorn him in.
    I think we'd get a million if we let it be known that he is available
    That first line re like brexit is bizarre. Have you actually read this thread?

    I'm saying and others are if he has time and space etc he can be really good. He will be good in league one and I look forward to him getting many MOTM displays.

    I'm also saying if closed down and versus an effective defence and midfield then he isn't good enough. In the Championship even though it's not great quality most sides are able to scrap and organise.

    I'm not sure if that makes me for or against him?

  6. #31

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    That first line re like brexit is bizarre. Have you actually read this thread?

    I'm saying and others are if he has time and space etc he can be really good. He will be good in league one and I look forward to him getting many MOTM displays.

    I'm also saying if closed down and versus an effective defence and midfield then he isn't good enough. In the Championship even though it's not great quality most sides are able to scrap and organise.

    I'm not sure if that makes me for or against him?
    He's flawed. Under Riza we would start on the front foot, Colwill and others would look half decent for 20 minutes or so without creating anything, the opposition would get a grip on things and that would be that, Colwill and the rest of them would continue to do the same things that weren't working and fail, that's not me saying it, the evidence in there for all of us to see, it's in black and white, and I include all players, not just Colwill. So, decent for the first 20 and sometimes decent in the final 20 when he had come on as sub, because the game had changed and we were looking for a goal, opposition sit in, more space, more possession, still nothing, week after week after week, that's all of them, although I suppose Salech has a free pass.

    So there's a theme, and the theme is that once the opposition understands what we are doing and that our players are limited, can't adapt and hysterically keep doing the same things that fail them collectively, then it's pretty much game over, and it was....

  7. #32

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He's flawed. Under Riza we would start on the front foot, Colwill and others would look half decent for 20 minutes or so without creating anything, the opposition would get a grip on things and that would be that, Colwill and the rest of them would continue to do the same things that weren't working and fail, that's not me saying it, the evidence in there for all of us to see, it's in black and white, and I include all players, not just Colwill. So, decent for the first 20 and sometimes decent in the final 20 when he had come on as sub, because the game had changed and we were looking for a goal, opposition sit in, more space, more possession, still nothing, week after week after week, that's all of them, although I suppose Salech has a free pass.

    So there's a theme, and the theme is that once the opposition understands what we are doing and that our players are limited, can't adapt and hysterically keep doing the same things that fail them collectively, then it's pretty much game over, and it was....
    I'd say ralls is better than that. More his chronic lack of fitness but he's a better player than you describe there. Ramsey obviously.

    The rest of them? Yep totally agree.

  8. #33

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    And Etete will be back next season, having been awarded a new two-year contract in January.

    And Tan wonders why he loses millions every yearthis is a classic example and you can times it by 10

  9. #34

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Colwill has undoubtedly been overhyped and had too much expectations thrust upon him, but I think there is a player there who is still growing and has still not hit his prime. Getting rid would be too presumptuous, and it's not like he's eating a massive wage bill, nor will we get that much for him at the moment. He's someone who will benefit a lot playing League One, maybe alongside his brother. Next season I think will be the big deciding factor for Colwill, he's been surrounded by shit in a tough league this season, but against easier opposition, has a chance to gain confidence and ability. If he's still in the same position as he is this season, then I'd say it's probably time to move on.

  10. #35

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    I'd say ralls is better than that. More his chronic lack of fitness but he's a better player than you describe there. Ramsey obviously.

    The rest of them? Yep totally agree.
    Ralls was a better player, but I think he's finished now, his legs have gone and he's so injury prone, same with Ramsey. I can't see any reason to keep either of them, although is Ralls still under contract? Ralls could be that player with the experience needed at league 1 level, but you know what, I'd shift him if he's out of contract, he'll be on a decent scree, even if there's a clause for a pay cut. Ramsey just needs to retire and concentrate on his Booze business....

  11. #36

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Ramsey just needs to retire and concentrate on his Booze business....
    He'll have lot's of customers if the club carries on from where they left off this season.

  12. #37

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Ralls was a better player, but I think he's finished now, his legs have gone and he's so injury prone, same with Ramsey. I can't see any reason to keep either of them, although is Ralls still under contract? Ralls could be that player with the experience needed at league 1 level, but you know what, I'd shift him if he's out of contract, he'll be on a decent scree, even if there's a clause for a pay cut. Ramsey just needs to retire and concentrate on his Booze business....
    Ralls' contract is up I believe

    The "pay as you play" deals don't exist, but if Ramsey is here next season then he should only be given the lowest basic salary possible

  13. #38

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Ralls' contract is up I believe

    The "pay as you play" deals don't exist, but if Ramsey is here next season then he should only be given the lowest basic salary possible
    I hope that he leaves, personally, I don't think it's dignified to see such a good player attempting to hold on to something that is gone, and as a fan, it's not nice to see.

  14. #39

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    And Tan wonders why he loses millions every yearthis is a classic example and you can times it by 10
    It is staggering that there is someone in the Club who has watched Etete for the best part of 18 months at City and came up with this decision. Presumably the same person[s] who recruited El Gazi, Daland, Guotas .....................

  15. #40

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    That first line re like brexit is bizarre. Have you actually read this thread?

    I'm saying and others are if he has time and space etc he can be really good. He will be good in league one and I look forward to him getting many MOTM displays.

    I'm also saying if closed down and versus an effective defence and midfield then he isn't good enough. In the Championship even though it's not great quality most sides are able to scrap and organise.

    I'm not sure if that makes me for or against him?
    The point I was making is that there are two distinct camps, and neither will have what the other camp says.

    Our wider group meets up in the Grange after a game every four or five weeks, and the main conversation inevitably is Colwill.
    I am in the he is only just 23 in a body that only stopped growing with a vision not seen since Whitts and Tomlin, his execution isn't where it needs to be, but he is still young. He is not 10 or even a forward, but you go think so because of the touch, dribbling and vision. He has been used centre forward !!!! I think he is an 8 at the top of a double pivot, but in a team that should be on the front foot, rather than the backs to the wall CCFC of the last four seasons.

    Half my mates think he is a slow, lazy, over hyped show pony that offers nothing, and they'd give him away for free. We'll disagree on every point for hours, and it's been like that for two seasons, neither group give an inch.

    I can't think of a player thats split the fans as much as Colwill since Whitts.

  16. #41

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    I just watched the highlights and I don't think I've ever seen such a pathetic attempt at being a goal keeper than Horvath yesterday. I never want to see him play for this club again.

    Also the ref didn't need to blow up when he did and send Chambers off (although we eventually improved when we wasn't on the pitch). The ball ran free to Nunez who was 1 on 1 with our feeble keeper,

  17. #42

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by PontBlue View Post
    I just watched the highlights and I don't think I've ever seen such a pathetic attempt at being a goal keeper than Horvath yesterday. I never want to see him play for this club again.
    The first goal is bizarre. He's in the middle of the goal and the ball isn't fired into the net. Maybe he was wrong-footed or anticipated something else but it was a strange lack of effort.

  18. #43

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by llan bluebird View Post
    The point I was making is that there are two distinct camps, and neither will have what the other camp says.

    Our wider group meets up in the Grange after a game every four or five weeks, and the main conversation inevitably is Colwill.
    I am in the he is only just 23 in a body that only stopped growing with a vision not seen since Whitts and Tomlin, his execution isn't where it needs to be, but he is still young. He is not 10 or even a forward, but you go think so because of the touch, dribbling and vision. He has been used centre forward !!!! I think he is an 8 at the top of a double pivot, but in a team that should be on the front foot, rather than the backs to the wall CCFC of the last four seasons.

    Half my mates think he is a slow, lazy, over hyped show pony that offers nothing, and they'd give him away for free. We'll disagree on every point for hours, and it's been like that for two seasons, neither group give an inch.

    I can't think of a player thats split the fans as much as Colwill since Whitts.
    Fair enough he certainly gets some supporters argue he could be a very, very top player and others who can't see how he is a professional at any level.

    I'm just in the camp of he's good with time space, useless without and he will be good in league 1.

  19. #44

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by PontBlue View Post
    I just watched the highlights and I don't think I've ever seen such a pathetic attempt at being a goal keeper than Horvath yesterday. I never want to see him play for this club again.

    Also the ref didn't need to blow up when he did and send Chambers off (although we eventually improved when we wasn't on the pitch). The ball ran free to Nunez who was 1 on 1 with our feeble keeper,
    Yeah and he did score also.

  20. #45

    Re: Deservedly bottom of the Championship.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    No, I watched the game with no preconceived ideas about him. You dont say anything about the bit where I mention the question where was this from him when we really needed it and say its not unreasonable to ask that. What I actually said was he was superb with a very big but though.
    You saw the game and Colwill's performance yesterday, as I saw it. I thought he was very good. I could have guessed who would be first to have another pop at him and I would have been right. Maybe he did have more space yesterday, but let's not forget we were playing with a man down. And we won the second half. Yes, Colwill has disappointed to often. But yesterday (the game you were reporting on) he was very good. Credit where it was due.

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