Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
I don't think welsh Labour losing would have much effect on the UK labour party. Starmer will be the prime minister until the next general election to think otherwise is extremely naive.

The only winners of a labour collapse in Wales are Reform and Farage.
Labour is sinking nationally and in Wales

It's all about damage limitation

A return to a charismatic leader both nationally and in Wales would shore up what's left of the support and ensure coalition government in both Wales and Westminster

Leave things as they are and fail to make concessions regarding obvious policy screw ups and its absolute curtains

Labour's support is leaking faster than the titanic

It seems that some people to still be in complete denial as here

We are not talking about labour failing to get a majority to govern

We are not talking about a less than ideal coalition both nationally and in Wales

We are talking about a complete wipe out to the right wing

It's incredibly serious and worrying and Labour needs to stop trying to carry on regardless and start delivering

He and his cabinet are utterly incompetent